Kilga up to his old tricks: fake The Cup Kane 77/99

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Hey guys. Just a heads up for anyone considering bidding on the card below at any point in the future. It is repatched. This seller has tried to sell repatched cards in the past. I've checked his Cup cards and most of them are legit, but he has been selling some repatched cards as well so beware.

Fake 07/08 The Cup Patrick Kane RC 77/99

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I'll re-state, though it seems to do no good:

Kilga is not a patch-faker. If anything, he bought the patch in good faith without knowing it was forged.
 
quincy said:
I'll re-state, though it seems to do no good:

Kilga is not a patch-faker. If anything, he bought the patch in good faith without knowing it was forged.
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I'd have to agree with this statement. I know him personally and highly doubt he knows this is a fake
 
mwdonald said:
I agree with this as well. I'm just making people aware of the seller since he's now up to 10-15 repatched Cup cards over the past couple months.
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That's fine that you agree with the statement - but when you say someone is up to their old tricks again - the first thing that is assumed is that the person in question is responsible for the change itself.

Just a suggestion - maybe title the thread as an FYI instead. Given the hot button nature of the topic, it has the potential of generating a considerably negative response, whether rightly or wrongly
 
One member noted "I'd have to agree with this statement. I know him personally and highly doubt he knows this is a fake"
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mwdonald said:
I agree with this as well. I'm just making people aware of the seller since he's now up to 10-15 repatched Cup cards over the past couple months.
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If this guy is so pure that people vouch for him yet he has had numerous issues(10-15) with re-patched cards I think he needs to examine his business practices. He owes it to collectors to do a minimum of due diligence that cards are authentic before he flips them to ebay. When a patch is exceptional as the Kane is he needs to slow down payment for the card until he can authenticate it. If the seller is too anxious and can't wait to unload the card to Kilga that should be a RED FLAG.
 
Has anyone brought it up to him that this Kane is a fake?

If so, and he continued to list it, I think that would pretty much remove any faith I had in him.

I agree with pssteve, he should be more careful with his buying. I've seen previous fakes that he had listed and while he MAY not be the originater, he has sold a few, and that cause me to doubt his other patches as well.

Kevin
 
pssteve said:
One member noted "I'd have to agree with this statement. I know him personally and highly doubt he knows this is a fake"
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If this guy is so pure that people vouch for him yet he has had numerous issues(10-15) with re-patched cards I think he needs to examine his business practices. He owes it to collectors to do a minimum of due diligence that cards are authentic before he flips them to ebay. When a patch is exceptional as the Kane is he needs to slow down payment for the card until he can authenticate it. If the seller is too anxious and can't wait to unload the card to Kilga that should be a RED FLAG.
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I have to agree and take it even one step further. He may have bought the cards not knowing they were fakes, but the same cannot be said when he's reselling them. Knowingly selling an altered card makes you just as culpable as the person that swapped out the swatch. Both are hobby pariah and everyone should be warned about their practices.
 
I read the title, was curious, and read further to fin d the nature of the issue. Well- titled and worded in my opinion.

Thanks for the head's up.
 
Hama said:
That's fine that you agree with the statement - but when you say someone is up to their old tricks again - the first thing that is assumed is that the person in question is responsible for the change itself.

Just a suggestion - maybe title the thread as an FYI instead. Given the hot button nature of the topic, it has the potential of generating a considerably negative response, whether rightly or wrongly
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If I could edit my title now I would. The "old tricks" simply referred to the seller listing repatched cards again. Nowhere do I mention or even suggest that it is the seller that is doing the repatching.

I have spent hundreds of hours collecting pics of Cup cards and searching ebay. I have been thanked by so many collectors over the past couple years for my work in this area and will continue to do my best at warning potential buyers. Never have I called anyone out as doing the repatching. I feel it is sufficient for me to let others know when a card has been repatched. Anything beyond that is out of my hands. But having all said this, I will use FYI from now on.
 
pssteve said:
If this guy is so pure that people vouch for him yet he has had numerous issues(10-15) with re-patched cards I think he needs to examine his business practices. He owes it to collectors to do a minimum of due diligence that cards are authentic before he flips them to ebay. When a patch is exceptional as the Kane is he needs to slow down payment for the card until he can authenticate it. If the seller is too anxious and can't wait to unload the card to Kilga that should be a RED FLAG.
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I believe kilga was a set collector and has decided to sell off all his Cup cards. I don't know where he got his cards from, but it's almost impossible to authenticate these cards unless someone can show you the card with a different patch in it. Few people have the ability to check this so I would do the same and assume the card is legit until someone can show you otherwise.
 
pssteve said:
One member noted "I'd have to agree with this statement. I know him personally and highly doubt he knows this is a fake"
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If this guy is so pure that people vouch for him yet he has had numerous issues(10-15) with re-patched cards I think he needs to examine his business practices. He owes it to collectors to do a minimum of due diligence that cards are authentic before he flips them to ebay. When a patch is exceptional as the Kane is he needs to slow down payment for the card until he can authenticate it. If the seller is too anxious and can't wait to unload the card to Kilga that should be a RED FLAG.
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I'm not sure I agree with the due dilligence part. A lot of people simply do not have the time and resources to track every card to ensure the patch is legitimate. Further, I am not aware of any place that someone can go and check if the card was previously sold and what the patch was. This is especially true for any releases prior to 08-09 The Cup.
 
mwdonald said:
If I could edit my title now I would. The "old tricks" simply referred to the seller listing repatched cards again. Nowhere do I mention or even suggest that it is the seller that is doing the repatching.

I have spent hundreds of hours collecting pics of Cup cards and searching ebay. I have been thanked by so many collectors over the past couple years for my work in this area and will continue to do my best at warning potential buyers. Never have I called anyone out as doing the repatching. I feel it is sufficient for me to let others know when a card has been repatched. Anything beyond that is out of my hands. But having all said this, I will use FYI from now on.
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I never suggested you intimated that - just given the general reaction that comes from this topic, the torches are coming out regardless, but people have been known to jump to conclusions on this site from time to time.... ;)
 

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