Patch forger... caught! gomaz would be proud ;)

You paying the person that is going to do it?

EDIT: Things like that take extra time, possibly extra money, etc and could potentially drive up prices a bit if it were done for every set with high-end, low-numbered cards. Not to mention the counterfeiting aspect possible if pictures of what the cards look like are available to these guys.
 
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I see a few posts about this individual and how some are shocked at this persons actions and others who are posting that no one can be trusted.. Well there are many people on this board and off, who I trust implicitly.. I do not think the actions of one or the few (NO I AM NOT SPOCK!!) should out weigh the worth of the many on this site.. It is frustrating for many of us to be fooled and feel apprehensive in purchasing nice patches or high end cards, but you cannot let it take over the over all enjoyment of the Hobby.. The thing I love about this hobby is not so much the cards, but the people that I have met.. Believe me I have met some real A@@ H@@@@, but overall a lot of great members.. These same members who are helping the hobby by shining the light on this type of shadiness.. Anyways lets try and keep perspective, help each other avoid these types of individuals, but at the same time enjoy each other in the Hobby.. Okay so I will stop watching Oprah!! LOL!!
 
gomaz said:
While I love the sentiment behind your post, it has gotten to the point where we don't know if we have fake patches in our collections/inventory. You may trust someone, but can you trust their cards??

Note the disclaimer in my sig.
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Point is, most of us are savvy enough to know what's good and what's crap.

If it looks TOO good to be true, it likely is...

Sometimes we just need to hold back a smidge...

Basically if I haven't seen it get cracked, or someone I know and trust cracked it, I'm not getting near any of this stuff any more.

And enough people crack on here who will eventually hit the stuff I need... :dance:
 
I am completely shocked at the level of forgery going on here. Those OPC Premier cards should be almost impossible to forge without damaging the card. It makes me wonder if any of the patch cards I own have been modified this way...
 
Sacrebleu said:
I just bought a Zetterberg honorable numbers auto patch from the alleged forger. If the one I bought was fake then man is this guy good at his craft as it shows literally zero of the tell tale signs of patch swapping. The only thing I could think of is if he somehow has a way to separate the card into layers but again it doesn't appear like that was done to mine.
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alright, no doubt this is going to take a couple posts to explain but here it goes....

getting the patch into the card is MUCH easyer then people think, seriously a 5 year old could do it without causing damage to the patch window.....best way to tell a fake patch in my opinion is when patch fakers remove the patch only SOME of the glue to keep it in place is left in the card so take your thumb or finger and press somewhat firmly on the patch itself and see if it's "loose" by that i don't mean shake the card and see if the patch moves but on many(not all) the patch will be loose and you'll be able to move it about IN the patch window with ease...kinda hard to explain in words i guess but i think i get the point across.....

on the plus side of things, has anyone taken note that there are not any ITG/BAP cards in question? thats because ITG/BAP does a wonderful job of squeezing the patch material in so tight it's next to impossible to remove it and insert a fake patch....so kudos to IN THE GAME for having already solved this problem on there behalf!


as for his ID, i myself kinda have beef with him because i've bought and sold(unknowingly at first) fake patches of his, so under HI rules would'nt be fair enough for me to post his user ID? i'll comfirm with bruce first as i don't feel like getting him or I into trouble over this matter....

but either way this guy only has 3 total feedback so don't get your knickers in a knot just yet as onlya few at most "may" have been screwed on these boards....


think thats covers everything? we'll see anyway may have to edit more into this post or make another...


thanks
 
So it's been confirmed he's slicing the cards in half and replacing the patches... my question is this:

Are the faked cards now slightly thicker or thinner as a result of the slicing and re-gluing of the card?
 
Burner said:
So it's been confirmed he's slicing the cards in half and replacing the patches... my question is this:

Are the faked cards now slightly thicker or thinner as a result of the slicing and re-gluing of the card?
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NO, he's just poping out the patches and sticking in new ones.....with the kipper in question, my thoughts are if you look close at the first scan there is some creases in the die-cutting which most likely hid whatever he had to do to get the fake patches in that card....not trying to turn this into a "how to fake a patch thread" but it's much much simpler then most thing/know to replace a patch only ITG cards are safe at this point in my opinion...having never seen one doen yet...
 
There are other ways than just pulling the patched out, and replacing them... which is what he probably did with the Kipper.

I'm going to try something tonight on some scrub cards.
 
Geplimestone:

I think the only reason there hasn't been any ITG cards faked/proven fake is because they don't number their cards. If this guy is slicing up cards, why can't it be done to ITG cards?

Also, there was a post about a seller with about 20 ITG Emblem cards that had NHL Shields in everyone of those cards. I bet at least some of those cards were tampered with.
 
KJ555 said:
Geplimestone:

I think the only reason there hasn't been any ITG cards faked/proven fake is because they don't number their cards. If this guy is slicing up cards, why can't it be done to ITG cards?

Also, there was a post about a seller with about 20 ITG Emblem cards that had NHL Shields in everyone of those cards. I bet at least some of those cards were tampered with.
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Actually the difference is when you try to remove ITG swatches it mangles the card. As for those Emblems several people can attest to them. I myself pulled the Lecalir that is being sold.

There's a lot of people done a lot of research and destroyed many cards while putting this together, it's not just coming out of thin air.

Darren
 
meatmancgy said:
For the record, I DO have my reasons... but this member has not sold anything on here for well over a year. Since he has done nothing fraudulent on HI, to "out" him with personal info can get dicey under the Privacy Act. I'm not prepared to go that route.

For now, the information about the eBay IDs is intact and factual. That's where the disclosure to HI members ends at this time. Sorry guys.
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I dont really want to stir the pot here Bruce but it would be really nice to know who this person is. Maybe not personal names but a user ID. There are numerous banned members on the list for suspect Ebay practices, why not this one? Again, I dont want to ruffle any feathers, I just feel that we should all know.
 
KJ555 said:
Geplimestone:

I think the only reason there hasn't been any ITG cards faked/proven fake is because they don't number their cards. If this guy is slicing up cards, why can't it be done to ITG cards?

Also, there was a post about a seller with about 20 ITG Emblem cards that had NHL Shields in everyone of those cards. I bet at least some of those cards were tampered with.
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the NHL shield thing could be true i've never seen them so i can't say for sure......but he is'nt slicing the cards and if he did he only did a handful at most becuase i've seen like 90% of his work first hand both online and in person....ITG cards have the patch sandwiched in so tight it's very hard to do...i've tried myself....




for those of you waiting to on his HOBBY INSIDER USER ID it is "AO57"
his first name is kenny and he shall remain last nameless for now.....


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geplimestone said:
the NHL shield thing could be true i've never seen them so i can't say for sure......but he is'nt slicing the cards and if he did he only did a handful at most becuase i've seen like 90% of his work first hand both online and in person....ITG cards have the patch sandwiched in so tight it's very hard to do...i've tried myself....



for those of you waiting to on his HOBBY INSIDER USER ID it is "AO57"
his first name is kenny and he shall remain last nameless for now.....



-G-
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I'm only permitting this as Geoff has had issues and is one of the people taken by this member. Regardless, the member is gone.
 
It's fairly easy to get his real name from his ebay id. At least it used to be especially if you have purchased from him. Do a little snooping and I bet you can figure it out.
 
qwas said:
It's fairly easy to get his real name from his ebay id. At least it used to be especially if you have purchased from him. Do a little snooping and I bet you can figure it out.
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i've delt with him and i know it, but i don't believe it's fair to release that....
 
How ironic is it that majority of the posts AO57 has are on threads about fake patches...He gives his input as if he knows what he is doing, wait he does, or he did. LOL
 

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