11-12 The Cup : RC /99

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Hi !

I saw that RNH and LeBlanc will be short printed rookies out of the Cup this year. I assume Landeskog will also be. What do you think they will go for on the secondary market just after release ?

My toughts for 3 colors one :

RNH - 2500$
LeBlanc - 1500$ (as per UD facebook there is not so many 3 colors)
Landy - 1750$
Scheifele - 1500$

Curious to see what people think.....

Thanks, Annie
 
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thorn said:
RNH - a lot over 3000$
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I think the first 5-7 copies with 3 color patches will sell for over $3000 but people are going to quickly realize that 90 of the 99 copies have 3 color patches and these cards will drop to around $2000 a month or so after release.
 
Landeskog RC's for Ultimate and SP Authentic were both redemptions. Odds are his Cup RC will also be. I spent major money early on 2 redemptions from last year's Cup trying to get Taylor Hall #4/99. I just missed. I paid $2200 and $2000 on them. The redemptions dropped in value to about $1600 at the end, and the fella that had #99/99 did VERY WELL! Landeskog jersey is #92. While the first 20 redemptions or so will sell well, I'm predicting a slow down until the mid 80's/99 are redeemed, then watch out. In other words if you get a Landeskog redemption hold onto it for a while. It will probably pay dividends.
 
thedewk said:
Landeskog RC's for Ultimate and SP Authentic were both redemptions. Odds are his Cup RC will also be. I spent major money early on 2 redemptions from last year's Cup trying to get Taylor Hall #4/99. I just missed. I paid $2200 and $2000 on them. The redemptions dropped in value to about $1600 at the end, and the fella that had #99/99 did VERY WELL! Landeskog jersey is #92. While the first 20 redemptions or so will sell well, I'm predicting a slow down until the mid 80's/99 are redeemed, then watch out. In other words if you get a Landeskog redemption hold onto it for a while. It will probably pay dividends.
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The cards aren't necessarily redeemed in order. It's true that the first 20-30 of the Halls were redeemed in order last year but once I found out about this I paid close attention to it. Around Christmas the ordering was not as apparent. I know people that redeemed their Halls in late spring and got cards in the 30's and 40's but many cards in the 80's and 90's had already showed up last Winter. So although the ordering clearly existed early after release it eventually got dropped or at least UD wasn't as strict about it. I've never followed this behavior for any other card so I don't know how common/uncommon it is but if the Landeskog's are redemptions it will be interesting to see if/how long the ordering holds up.
 
thedewk said:
Landeskog RC's for Ultimate and SP Authentic were both redemptions. Odds are his Cup RC will also be. I spent major money early on 2 redemptions from last year's Cup trying to get Taylor Hall #4/99. I just missed. I paid $2200 and $2000 on them. The redemptions dropped in value to about $1600 at the end, and the fella that had #99/99 did VERY WELL! Landeskog jersey is #92. While the first 20 redemptions or so will sell well, I'm predicting a slow down until the mid 80's/99 are redeemed, then watch out. In other words if you get a Landeskog redemption hold onto it for a while. It will probably pay dividends.
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hm, I didn't know they sent out the cards in order....very interesting. Cause Seguin Gold 19/19 was sent out earlier than the ones I got.
 
I am actually very curious about Hodgson who should be a /99. Wondering whether he would be a Canuck or Sabre.

A bit off topic but I hope Eddie Lack gets at least an auto rookie /199.
 
I don't understand how Hodgson wouldn't be a /99, he's one of the best rookies with some of the best potential? He's also highly collected. If he's in a Sabres uniform I'd be all over his stuff, I guess we will see.
 
mwdonald said:
I think the first 5-7 copies with 3 color patches will sell for over $3000 but people are going to quickly realize that 90 of the 99 copies have 3 color patches and these cards will drop to around $2000 a month or so after release.
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Are you sure that it wasn't the rainbow parallel ones that were mainly 3clr?
 
Matt, I understand your argument based on the fact that there is still so much 10/11 Cup out there that ALL the Hall redemptions are gone already; it just seems unlikely.

But I watch and collect Hall(as you know) and there was a steady progression from #1 to #99 that could be tracked on ebay by sale listings. I saw #97/99 sell on the bay and both the next 2 redemptions were listed on ebay but became not available very quickly. Then #99/99 was listed on ebay about 3 weeks after the last redemption was listed. I guess the only way to know is if someone pulls a redemption and redeems it or lists the actual redemption on ebay. Since #99/99 listed on ebay I haven't seen another redemption, which if memory serves me right, was in July.

I know there are a bunch of other products that draw interest, but with group breaks and collectors of Eberle, Seguin, etc you'd wonder why no more
have gone live? And the Hall's that have been for sale so far always seem to be the same ones. Never any new ones. That might change if his prices continue to rise but people have seen what happened to Stamkos and Tavares and if rumors are true, a whale has moved onto Hall Cup RC's now. Which is good or bad depending upon how you look at it.
 
Anyone know if UD fixed the gaffe from last year where the Cup 99 RCs were only inserted into 6 tin cases and not 3 tin cases?

A lot of people were upset from what I remember.
 
Burner said:
Anyone know if UD fixed the gaffe from last year where the Cup 99 RCs were only inserted into 6 tin cases and not 3 tin cases?

A lot of people were upset from what I remember.
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This was only rumor/speculation - I pulled an Eberle from a three box case.
 
Burner said:
Anyone know if UD fixed the gaffe from last year where the Cup 99 RCs were only inserted into 6 tin cases and not 3 tin cases?

A lot of people were upset from what I remember.
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I was the person that brought up this issue last year.

My analysis of over 150 case breaks was that SP'ed ARP's #/99 showed up far less in 3 tin cases than they did in 6 tin cases. At a rate of nearly 2 to 1.
Of course the naysayers with inside knowledge said it could not happen - that they saw the pack-outs etc etc. However - we already know that in almost every 3 tin case there is a 'case hit' and in almost every 6 tin case there were two. So clearly the hit rates are measured in some way as far as insertion into production.

You can tell me whatever you wish - I will not be buying the 3 tin cases from the local LCS's. my minor degree in statistics tells me that the oadds are a little far apart from the norm. Of course - more info would help - such as the number of 6 tin cases vs 3 tin cases (the 6 tin cases are not comprised of 2- 3 tin cases).

In the end it will not matter this time at all, since you can only get a 6 tin case from a Distributor or on dealer-net and they are holding them price hostage at the moment.
 
suitman19 said:
I was the person that brought up this issue last year.

My analysis of over 150 case breaks was that SP'ed ARP's #/99 showed up far less in 3 tin cases than they did in 6 tin cases. At a rate of nearly 2 to 1.Of course the naysayers with inside knowledge said it could not happen - that they saw the pack-outs etc etc. However - we already know that in almost every 3 tin case there is a 'case hit' and in almost every 6 tin case there were two. So clearly the hit rates are measured in some way as far as insertion into production.

You can tell me whatever you wish - I will not be buying the 3 tin cases from the local LCS's. my minor degree in statistics tells me that the oadds are a little far apart from the norm. Of course - more info would help - such as the number of 6 tin cases vs 3 tin cases (the 6 tin cases are not comprised of 2- 3 tin cases).

In the end it will not matter this time at all, since you can only get a 6 tin case from a Distributor or on dealer-net and they are holding them price hostage at the moment.
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Could the reasoning be that there are twice as many tins in a six tin case than a three tin case?
 

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