And Bertuzzi continues to baffle the mind...

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THE CANADIAN PRESS said:
TORONTO -- There's a report that NHL forward Todd Bertuzzi has filed a lawsuit against former Vancouver Canucks coach Marc Crawford, alleging that negligence on the part of Crawford contributed to Bertuzzi's infamous sucker punch on Steve Moore in March, 2004.

The CBC reports the lawsuit alleges that Crawford urged his players, including Bertuzzi, to make Moore "pay the price" for a hit against Vancouver captain Markus Naslund in an earlier game.

According to the CBC, the suit alleges that Crawford, now the coach of the Los Angeles Kings, "knew or ought to have known that this was likely to result in injury to Moore."

The allegations have not been proven in court.

During the game, Bertuzzi jumped the Colorado Avalanche's Moore, punching him from behind and then falling on top of him.

Moore, who hasn't played since, has launched a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Bertuzzi that's now before the courts.
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Wow. Just...wow.
 
He's the biggest moron ever. How many times have coaches in the NFL probably said things like "Make sure you hurt their QB"? They don't mean go out and purposely injure the guy with a cheap shot. They mean, if you get a chance to hit him clean, make sure you do so he feels it. If he cannot prove that Crawford specifically asked him to INJURE Moore, then Bertuzzi has no case.
 
It's not just that I think - not only did Crawford have to foresee specific injury to Moore, in most common law jurisdictions he would have to specifically foresee the type of injury - in this case, that of the career ending sort. I don't see why Bertuzzi would be doing this - it'll get kicked out of the courts for remoteness anyway. If anyone should be suing, it should be Moore against Crawford if even that at all.
 
My guess would be that Crawford is trying to say that he had absolutley NOTHING to do with telling his players to make Moore "pay the price" and this is a way to bring it out in court that he did. I'm not trying to make Crawford accountable for what Bertuzzi did, because it was stupid. However, if the players were told to go do something, he should be held partially responsible. There's absolutley no way anyone could have foreseen the result of that punch. NO WAY.

I know it's not quite the same...but Charles Manson is sitting in jail for life for all those murders that he did not commit. He merely told others to do it and they listened. I belive all the actual people who took part in the murders are out of jail, but he will never get out (thank God). Please don't take this as I support Manson either, because I don't. I'm just trying to give an example of someone being held responsible for the actions others take. Do I agree with it? Not really...but apparently the courts do at times. Like Fuel said, I'm sure they would have to "specifically foresee the type of injury" which I don't believe they can.

Aslo...I think Moore's original lawsuit is against Bert, Crawford, Burke, and Orca Bay already. He pretty much covered them all.
 
This is exactly what's wrong with the world today, noboby wants to take responsibility for their own actions.
 
Ryan, bang on - our courts are backlogged and burdened with people that refuse to take responsibility. And this is just another journey down ludicrous road for Bert.

Cory
 
DXFlyers said:
$38 million dollar lawsuit. Moore is out of his mind. It should settle for 10 to 15% of that.
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How is the guy with his neck broken the target of derision here? Bertuzzi went out to hurt a guy, and he ended his career. His coach may or may not have told him to do it. Bertuzzi is suing his coach for this.

And the guy laying unconscious on the ice is out of his mind? Ridiculous.
 
And you know boys and girls none of this stupidity would have happenned....and I MEAN NONE OF IT!!......if Moore didn't GOON Naslund the prior game........end of discussion.....end of story.......you all know it...watch the replays....oh right, this is the part that no one seems to remember :|:|:|:|
 
nwojoey said:
And you know boys and girls none of this stupidity would have happenned....and I MEAN NONE OF IT!!......if Moore didn't GOON Naslund the prior game........end of discussion.....end of story.......you all know it...watch the replays....oh right, this is the part that no one seems to remember :|:|:|:|
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Right.... because all the borderline hits in the NHL end with the hitter getting their neck broken and career ended.

And if you want to get technical, and remember the part that no one seems to remember - it wasn't the prior game. The Avs and Canucks played in between the two games in Colorado, but no one on the Canucks manned up at that point. Peter Worrell fought Wade Brookbank. That was it. They waited almost three weeks until a home game to take revenge on Moore. That's not something that happened in the heat of the moment, that's calculated.

Blaming the victim is pathetic. Moore's hit was a head shot at a time when head shots aren't penalized nearly the same way they are now. Bertuzzi's sucker punch wasn't even remotely on the same level. It was a cowardly attack, and I can't even begin to quantify where suing your coach for the same incident ranks on the cowardly scale.
 
This is legal posturing, and an attempt to shift some of the responsibility to Crawford and the team, so that Bertuzzi is not the only one footing the bill when the time comes to pay up. While Bertuzzi is the one who committed the act and should pay a hefty settlement as he is primarily responsible, I don't think it can be completely dismissed that the Canuck organization, Brian Burke, or Marc Crawford are without liability.
 
Some great points here. Some deplorable ones too.

First: The only man responsible for Bertuzzi's actions on the ice is Todd Bertuzzi. Period. No "I was following orders" applies here, because as a (supposedly) thinking, moral human being he should be able to make his own decision about whether or not to follow those orders.

Second: Blaming the victim here is ridiculous. Did he get away with a cheap hit on Naslund? Yes. Is he the first or last to do so? No. He was even IN a fight that night which he won. The Canucks had their chance to make him "pay" fair and square, and they botched it.

Third: What amazes me is the number of people willing to excuse Bert's actions. It's not ok for Moore to cheapshot Naz, but it is for Bert to cheapshot Moore? As was said above: give your head a shake. If you hear a rattle...well, if I need to explain what the rattle is, I don't care to explain it to you.
 
Sorry NWO, but I disagree with you in a BIG way. Moore didn't goon Naslund, Nazzy had his head down and he got popped. End of story. Nazzy even came out in the press and said maybe he should have let up a bit but it wasn't a "dirty" hit. If Nazzy says that, I trust him since he was the target of the hit. And why is Moore the topic of discussion in this? This is a lawsuit filed by Bertuzzi against Crawford.
 
What I find interesting is that in this small community (jury pool)there is more than 1 person who would find it difficult to side with Moore if this ever went to trial.
Can one of our resident (Canadian) pseudo attorneys advise how many nay votes Bertuzzi would need to walk away scot free if this ever went to trial? To clarify would Moore win with a 9-3 jury vote?
 
I'm not sure we have a jury sit civil cases.... but to tell you the truth Steve, I'm not sure! That's either sad I don't know my own country's processes, or good that I've never had to experience it! lol

I think it is just a judge sits the trial, listens to the evidence, and makes a decision.

Cory
 
Could some of this not stem from what happened w/ the Roy thing? If I was in Bert's spot, and I saw another coach being held partially responsible for a similar act, it would make sense to also point that finger.
 


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