auston matthews young guns beckett 10 psa 10

[scooby1970]

I just wonder how these cards get 10
I'm sorry but I'm old school and cant figure out how to post pics without photobucket
the young gun card has been graded 10 by both companies but which one is perfectly centered
the card has humerto on the right side of the card ...... on many cards the o in humerto is half or no o is shown and few show the full o

so which card is perfectly centered..... psa cant tell cause no subgrades but have psa 10 with half the 0 and no 0 showing
beckett has centering grades of 9.5 or higher with both half 0 and full 0

I would like to know if any graders are on here and can explain

I don't grade cards but cards like this Matthews has me wondering

 

[go_leafs]

First of all psa 10 is not equal to BGS 10, in fact BGS 10 is better than PSA 10

but since your BGS 10 only has a 9.5 centering, which means it is not "perfectly" centred

and from the requirement for 9.5 Centre
Centering: 50/50 one way, 55/45 the other on front. 60/40 or better on back

so either your card is off either top to bottom or left to right

and from the black label above, your BGS 10 is off by .5 pt left to right

 

[Hama]

IIRC - Beckett allows for centering of 55/45 to 45/55 for a 9.5 subgrade - I'd have to believe PSA has similar parameters.

10 Centering for BGS is pretty much 50/50 all around I believe

 

[junyab]

I'm wondering if centering for both horizontal AND vertical lines matter. For horizontal I usually eyeball the left edge of the card to the "A" in Auston and the right edge to the "C" for Center.

 

[Hama]

I'm wondering if centering for both horizontal AND vertical lines matter. For horizontal I usually eyeball the left edge of the card to the "A" in Auston and the right edge to the "C" for Center.

Left to Right and Top to Bottom centering do matter - I've seen some UD cards from time to time have 30/70 Top to Bottom centering - it's not as bad on the YGs, but you do notice it on base at times.

 

[will-411]

But what is a perfectly centered borderless card guys? who decides what is perfectly centered? It's pretty easy on a card that is supposed to have a consistent thickness border around it to see how centering is off. On a borderles card like the Matthews above, when that first copy hits the graders desk, how do they know what a perfect looks like?

That's what I've always been curious about... and don't tell me it's based on how the majority are centered - Could be the majority are 'miscut'. On a borderless card, 'centering' just doesn't make sense to me, especially to pull it down to the preciseness of a .5 subgrade.

Cory

 

[junyab]

But what is a perfectly centered borderless card guys? who decides what is perfectly centered? It's pretty easy on a card that is supposed to have a consistent thickness border around it to see how centering is off. On a borderles card like the Matthews above, when that first copy hits the graders desk, how do they know what a perfect looks like?

That's what I've always been curious about... and don't tell me it's based on how the majority are centered - Could be the majority are 'miscut'. On a borderless card, 'centering' just doesn't make sense to me, especially to pull it down to the preciseness of a .5 subgrade.

Cory

I've attached a pic of how I understand it to work. So from the pic it looks like the top and bottom are perfect, and the left and right are around 45/55. I would've expected it to get a grade of 9.5 on centering considering the left to right. Could be totally wrong though.

 

[Hama]

But what is a perfectly centered borderless card guys? who decides what is perfectly centered? It's pretty easy on a card that is supposed to have a consistent thickness border around it to see how centering is off. On a borderles card like the Matthews above, when that first copy hits the graders desk, how do they know what a perfect looks like?

That's what I've always been curious about... and don't tell me it's based on how the majority are centered - Could be the majority are 'miscut'. On a borderless card, 'centering' just doesn't make sense to me, especially to pull it down to the preciseness of a .5 subgrade.

Cory

I'd have to think a lot of it is based on the location of the lettering and the foil - at least for discernible options. Left to right is probably based on the spacing to the border from the name on the left, and the position on the right. Top bottom would have to be where the foil stamping begins on both ends - but I could be wrong...

 

[Triple B]

The UD logo and the lettering offer hints of what a border should be with this card. I had a BGS 10 Pristine Matthews Young Guns that lost the black label on centering because the card was 55/45 L/R. Just a little more to the right and I would have black labelled that bad boy.

 

[will-411]

If it's based on the foil stamping, that's terrible - the foil stamping is applied separately to the card, meaning you could have slightly different cut cards showing the same foil positioning. And we're just looking at one example here 16/17 (Young Guns); there's lots of different sets. How do we know the intent of the person doing the layout was to have the same amount of distance between the edge and the text on either side?

Given the value people put on these grades, it's ridiculous that there doesn't seem to be an easily referenced official answer. If I was getting cards graded, I'd like to know that there's a standard the grader is following and what it is, wouldn't you?

Cory

 

[allstarcollectors]

If it's based on the foil stamping, that's terrible - the foil stamping is applied separately to the card, meaning you could have slightly different cut cards showing the same foil positioning. And we're just looking at one example here 16/17 (Young Guns); there's lots of different sets. How do we know the intent of the person doing the layout was to have the same amount of distance between the edge and the text on either side?

Given the value people put on these grades, it's ridiculous that there doesn't seem to be an easily referenced official answer. If I was getting cards graded, I'd like to know that there's a standard the grader is following and what it is, wouldn't you?

Cory

Cory you live in a utopian world!

 

[junyab]

If it's based on the foil stamping, that's terrible - the foil stamping is applied separately to the card, meaning you could have slightly different cut cards showing the same foil positioning. And we're just looking at one example here 16/17 (Young Guns); there's lots of different sets. How do we know the intent of the person doing the layout was to have the same amount of distance between the edge and the text on either side?

Given the value people put on these grades, it's ridiculous that there doesn't seem to be an easily referenced official answer. If I was getting cards graded, I'd like to know that there's a standard the grader is following and what it is, wouldn't you?

Cory

It's for surely based on the foil stamping...you couldn't assess centering on a card otherwise. But is foil stamping done on the card after the sheet cutting? I wouldn't have thought so, but don't know, tbh.