Beckett Grading - What a joke!

[lumm0x]

Agreed. If someone wasn't paying for their expertise and they weren't touting themselves as the #1 authority on collectibles then they wouldn't warrant being roasted for such a blatantly ridiculous error. Frankly it is those on the high horse that deserve to be knocked off the most.

I think it would be a real shame if someone less educated in the hobby got taken advantage of by a scamming seller if they based their purchasing confidence off of the product assurance given by the graded slab of the hobby authority. Much like patch fakers, I think it is the responsibility of those who value the integrity of sports card collecting to try to prevent people from profiting off of the dishonesty of the exceptions in the hobby. That is not Beckett, but this seller trying to pass the card off as something it is not and using Beckett's error in false advertising.

 

[Bulldog24]

I will throw one thing in here in response to Q's comments. Beckett was awarded the #1 grading position year after year. Believe me, PSA always tried to tout themselves as the "true" grading experts for years. I'll have to take a look back and see what they say about the autograph grades. I'm pretty sure that they only grade the placement and "clarity" of the autograph; I think there was always a distinction as to NOT grading the autos authenticity. Of course, I understand that this isn't even a real graph so that part is just plain laziness.

On the price guide issue that Bruce mentioned, I think the hobby will always need somewhere to turn to for pricing info. If for no other reason than it needs to be storehoused somewhere and able to be called upon for historical purposes. Sure, eBay is the place where all of those prices are coming from but a guide is still useful.

 

[LSOH]

Agreed. If someone wasn't paying for their expertise and they weren't touting themselves as the #1 authority on collectibles then they wouldn't warrant being roasted for such a blatantly ridiculous error. Frankly it is those on the high horse that deserve to be knocked off the most.

I think it would be a real shame if someone less educated in the hobby got taken advantage of by a scamming seller if they based their purchasing confidence off of the product assurance given by the graded slab of the hobby authority. Much like patch fakers, I think it is the responsibility of those who value the integrity of sports card collecting to try to prevent people from profiting off of the dishonesty of the exceptions in the hobby. That is not Beckett, but this seller trying to pass the card off as something it is not and using Beckett's error in false advertising.

Well said :beer:

Cheers,
Eli:beer:

 

[jab16399]

As a licensed professional, I see a Beckett Grader as a similar entity. Beckett as an organization needs to take responsibility for the mistake of a poorly trained but authorized grader. BECKETT, BUY BACK THE CARD and destroy it!!!

 

[jab16399]

OHHH, I get it now. The whole reason the card is so ridiculously priced in public is because the guy knows Beckett screwed up and is counting on them paying the price to clear their name by doing exactly what I suggest above. This is one of those literal "pay for ones mistakes" examples isn't it?

 

[gigs6027]

"Sorry, but from my experience, card collecting is somewhat a selfish gain. Your building your own collection for which is supposed to be your own satisfaction and to the envy of some others and sometimes allowing other collectors not to own those particular cards you have."

I think that you'll find if you stick around the boards here is that collecting is also a great way to help others out with their collections. It's not me me me on here, it's a lot of collectors helping each other out.

 

[Bulldog24]

OHHH, I get it now. The whole reason the card is so ridiculously priced in public is because the guy knows Beckett screwed up and is counting on them paying the price to clear their name by doing exactly what I suggest above. This is one of those literal "pay for ones mistakes" examples isn't it?

Won't happen. Even in the heydays of grading, that wasn't something they would do in this situation. I can't imagine them spending money on something like this now.

 

[quincy]

I will throw one thing in here in response to Q's comments. Beckett was awarded the #1 grading position year after year. Believe me, PSA always tried to tout themselves as the "true" grading experts for years.

That's as may be, but that's a far cry from "#1 Authority on Collectibles". When you make such a claim, certain obligations follow.

To put it another way:
If you make that claim and get it right, you're a star. If you make that claim and flub it, you're just a giant ball of gas.

 

[gobuffalo2331]

Beckett in general is a joke. Bunch of idiots.

 

[cardz1976]

You know it's pretty bad when they are banning members for bringing up a mistake... they should admit the mistake and try and rectify the situation not sweep it under the rug.

 

[pharmd30usp]

Albeit intelligible and written relatively well, this, without a doubt, has to be the most ignorant argument I have heard from any seemingly intelligent person. I am not going to dignify it with specifics. If you are intelligent enough to form complex sentences, rereading the rant should make the problems apparent.

I'm sorry, but a beckett grading bashing thread isn't warranted. Yes, mistakes happen in the grading process from grading fascimile autos real to spelling mistakes on labels. I know collectors must want perfection in their graders due to authenticity concerns of products purchased, but can't have that due to a human error factor (it exists when any card is graded and why some cards get a bump in overall grades compared to other similar cards). PSA has also had authenticity problems of there own before. Counterfeit cards get through the process once in awhile, so just because a few bad ones over the long run get into the secondary market, doesn't make BGS the bad guy. I still trust their grading due to the ease of submissions and pricing tiers (not impressed with a subscription for PSA or a required packet from SGC). And for those who just have to bash grading in general and think it is a waste of money and collectors buy "grades" not cards, then take that talk somewhere else. Grading is here to stay, mistakes there maybe, and without grading from BGS, the card market that is already thinning due to increased prices and lower demand will sink further. Just because you do not like the new web site (neither do I) or you think their magazines went south (which I also might agree with too and thus switched to the online price guides), shouldn't turn into let's bash their grading bunch. As for the auction, just don't bid on it because you know it is in error. Let a poor smuck who doesn't know his card sets buy the thing. Any collector that knows the better knows the error behind the grading of the card, so don't bother bidding on it. Stupid things happen, so move on.

Drew

 

[pharmd30usp]

While I concur with some of this, I honestly wouldn't wish the company end in demise... some good people have come through those doors and did help in expanding our hobby. However, it's been downhill since Jim Beckett sold and the parent company cared more about profits over collectors.

IF Beckett disappeared, we need a replacement of sorts... I don't believe we need a price guide (Clint himself said in the April issue of The Insider's Edge where he got his pricing from), but we need STRONG hobby content from somewhere. I'm hoping The Insider's Edge is that content and look forward to more submissions from members here, from ALL sports and non-sports.

B.

Still laughing at shameless Insider's Edge plug....please don't ban me, but that was an incredible segue, Bruce. One that I happen to agree with wholely by the way, but it still struck my funny bone squarely.

 

[meatmancgy]

Still laughing at shameless Insider's Edge plug....please don't ban me, but that was an incredible segue, Bruce. One that I happen to agree with wholely by the way, but it still struck my funny bone squarely.

muwhahahahaha Well, it's true though...

 

[drwarf]

"Sorry, but from my experience, card collecting is somewhat a selfish gain. Your building your own collection for which is supposed to be your own satisfaction and to the envy of some others and sometimes allowing other collectors not to own those particular cards you have."

I think that you'll find if you stick around the boards here is that collecting is also a great way to help others out with their collections. It's not me me me on here, it's a lot of collectors helping each other out.

True, the trading and buy/sale boards help collections among members, but also every mailday post, ebay win post, and box break post (good or bad) is a slight "look at me" type of collecting. Nonetheless, it's all good. I'm cool about the whole thing now.

Cheers :beer:,

Drew

 

[drwarf]

Albeit intelligible and written relatively well, this, without a doubt, has to be the most ignorant argument I have heard from any seemingly intelligent person. I am not going to dignify it with specifics. If you are intelligent enough to form complex sentences, rereading the rant should make the problems apparent.

Yeah, I'm ignorant about rolling out a decent (could be better) argument about what the main purpose of this thread should have been and what it turned into. I learned a long time ago, intense discussions on the message boards are not to be "won", so here is to me being in my happy place about the whole thing. :beer:

Thanks,

Drew

 

[cmcdonald1]

Well written or not, the points you brought forward engaged many into a very interesting debate. Hobbyists are passionate and I would argue that there was much passion in this thread...well done!

 

[bigzippy]

True, the trading and buy/sale boards help collections among members, but also every mailday post, ebay win post, and box break post (good or bad) is a slight "look at me" type of collecting. Nonetheless, it's all good. I'm cool about the whole thing now.

Cheers :beer:,

Drew

Not all are the look at me type threads. Many are more look what this guy did for me. Generosity is a major player on HI and that is what keeps so many of us coming back, Im not just talking about guys willing to dip into a pc to help a set collector but 1000's of dollars worth of cards beong given as gifts just to make some one else happy. I have been on the recieving end of a great gift and made a show and tell not to show off the item but as a thank you to the member who made my day. I know many s&t threads are for bragging rights but dont forget those that are not.

I am however glad you found you happy place

Pete

 

[deankal]

As for the auction, just don't bid on it because you know it is in error. Let a poor smuck who doesn't know his card sets buy the thing. Any collector that knows the better knows the error behind the grading of the card, so don't bother bidding on it. Stupid things happen, so move on.

Drew

Drew,

Your stance, with the issue of grading an auto that's not really an auto but a facsimile is understandable and not a big deal, if you don't think Beckett grading a fake (reprint auto) is a mistake and just want to let this "accident" just fly by....... but why on earth would you say the stuff you said above??????

Do you really think a newbie collector who doesn't have the knowledge about card collecting (let's say as the obvious knowledge you do) should get royally taken like that? I'll admit it does say one thing and that you as a collector is one I would most defintely stay away from!!!!!! You're the kinda guy who would probably sell something to another collector knowing fully that something is wrong with the card just to get it out of your hands and make it someone else's problem. Sorry but people like you are the problem in this hobby!!!
Sites like this one, don't discriminate between those who are long term hobbyists and newbies in this small hockey hobby community. They are here to share valuable information about the hobby....inform people about good/bad buyer/sellers....and mostly help just help people out!!!
You should see the amount of fake patching posts that come one when the Cup just gets released!!! I'm glad this site is here to inform hobbyists new and old and to give each other a heads up whether it be someone sees a card I'm interested in or just to warn each other of bad sellers or traders!!

The day I repeat a quote like you did is the day I toss in the towel and give this hobby up!!! I don't want to ever be in a position where'd I let some poor smuck (like you mentioned above) get duped and taken. It's a sad day when people like yourself would rather let another hobbyist get taken for HUGE bucks as long as it's not you who gets ripped off........... BUT let Beckett grade a fake auto and let's just slip this one out under the bus!!! Says alot about you and I know enough that I'd rather just stay away from people like you in the hobby!!

 

[bto3105]

Drew

You do have some points.Everyone does make mistakes agreed but Beckett have built themsleves up as the main source for grading.You cannot deny how embarassing that must be of them. I do understand people being turned off by that and if you want to continue your business there....Great!!!

What I don't get is the "Let some poor smuck"comment.I'm sure everyone will agree ,that is a brutal outlook on the hobby and the type of opinion that have turned off alot of new collectors. Would you want to be that poor smuck?



I'm glad this was brought up cause it shows what the hobby really is and what Bruce has here as a family on HI. We don't want anybody here to be that smuck and if we can help it,anybody.......period!!!!!


My 2 cents

 

[drwarf]

Drew,

Your stance, with the issue of grading an auto that's not really an auto but a facsimile is understandable and not a big deal, if you don't think Beckett grading a fake (reprint auto) is a mistake and just want to let this "accident" just fly by....... but why on earth would you say the stuff you said above??????

Do you really think a newbie collector who doesn't have the knowledge about card collecting (let's say as the obvious knowledge you do) should get royally taken like that? I'll admit it does say one thing and that you as a collector is one I would most defintely stay away from!!!!!! You're the kinda guy who would probably sell something to another collector knowing fully that something is wrong with the card just to get it out of your hands and make it someone else's problem. Sorry but people like you are the problem in this hobby!!!
Sites like this one, don't discriminate between those who are long term hobbyists and newbies in this small hockey hobby community. They are here to share valuable information about the hobby....inform people about good/bad buyer/sellers....and mostly help just help people out!!!
You should see the amount of fake patching posts that come one when the Cup just gets released!!! I'm glad this site is here to inform hobbyists new and old and to give each other a heads up whether it be someone sees a card I'm interested in or just to warn each other of bad sellers or traders!!

The day I repeat a quote like you did is the day I toss in the towel and give this hobby up!!! I don't want to ever be in a position where'd I let some poor smuck (like you mentioned above) get duped and taken. It's a sad day when people like yourself would rather let another hobbyist get taken for HUGE bucks as long as it's not you who gets ripped off........... BUT let Beckett grade a fake auto and let's just slip this one out under the bus!!! Says alot about you and I know enough that I'd rather just stay away from people like you in the hobby!!

Nice, the first "smuck" that results to hating me because of an opinion. Real nice. First, I've never been the smuck that has been taken by a fake patch or fake graded card, and if it ever happened to me down the line, guess what? That is why paypal covers you fully as a buyer. It's a fake, so get your money back. Yes, proving that a facsimile auto that is graded is a fake is tough to ebay, but along the lines of fake patches, etc. it is fraudulent sale because the card is not real. The op posted the auction to let everyone who cruises this site to see this is a fake and a bad auction to bid on. Just leave it there. Instead, it was a starter for talking trash about BGS. Now on the issue of me being the worst people in the hobby, sadly you were thrown into a tizzy over my opinion, which everyone has. I am a buyer and a seller on ebay with 100% positive feedback. I would never sell a fake anything card to a buyer. I don't you think you do know enough to say I'm the bad collector in the hobby. I'm good guy because I am only a student and pump thousands of dollars into this hobby each year which I mentioned before is not quite what it used to be. I am the guy out there who sometimes overpays to get the cards he wants and sometimes bids on cards nobody offers on. Yes, there are huge buyers out there, but I consider myself a nice enough contributor to my hobby and a good seller on the bay too. Please refrain from stomping on me, and if you must, just continue bashing BGS.

:beer:Thanks,

Drew


P.S. How about we let this thread fall and talk about something positive in the hobby? This thread is continuing for the wrong reasons now.