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The vast majority of my PC is vintage from 70-80, HOFers earlier, then some 80-85 and virtually nothing after until 2015. From 2015 on the only players I collect are Eichel and Dahlin. Unfortunately as we all know Eichel signed with Leaf for his rookie year. I have zero Leaf cards in my PC. Just a personal preference when it comes to having the logo airbrushed off.

So now moving forward it looks like Eichel has signed with UD and there exist the probability that they will issue buy backs. My initial reaction is to reject them as not really RCs. But I'm wondering how the rest of the hockey collecting community treats buy backs? Are they embraced universally or only by a few. I really don't want to chase any FWAs that come out moving forward but am I shorting my PC because of this?

I'm not flipping or looking to make a buck on them but I am curious as to how other players buy backs have been treated in the past since I didn't buy a single card from 1990 until 2014.

All input and thoughts are welcome.

Thanks,
Kevin
 
I think the buy back concept is really cool. Especially when they buy back older, popular base sets or inserts and have them signed. I don't consider buyback rookies that are now being signed as legit rookies either. It's an insert now.
 
I consider them as BuyBack RC... especially if he signs Cup RC or Young Guns RC. I imagined it will be very limited, likely to his jersey number /15 or /9
 
From my point of view no real rookies. But maybe a nice card at all, so why not pick up a copy for your player pc?
 
I echo what others have said. Nice cards, but definitely not true rookie cards, regardless of whatever UD will try to tell everyone.
 
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30ranfordfan said:
My take: Not real rookies.

That doesnt make them undesirable cards.
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Seeing a few other comments, there is one thing I didn't take into consideration with my comment.

Will they actually be buybacks?

My assumption is that they'll run another 999 Eichle FW out... but this time signed.... and IMO, not real rookies.

On the other hand... suppose they actually get him to sign 150 copies of the origional 999... that have no UD COA written on them. They add a hologram and include a matching coa.... and have cut the origional supply to only 849.

Would those be rookies? I see the yes side of it for sure. Altered, but still rookies.
 
30ranfordfan said:
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Seeing a few other comments, there is one thing I didn't take into consideration with my comment.

Will they actually be buybacks?

My assumption is that they'll run another 999 Eichle FW out... but this time signed.... and IMO, not real rookies.

On the other hand... suppose they actually get him to sign 150 copies of the origional 999... that have no UD COA written on them. They add a hologram and include a matching coa.... and have cut the origional supply to only 849.

Would those be rookies? I see the yes side of it for sure. Altered, but still rookies.
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Oh I never thought of that. I'd rather them have some of the original signed then #'d to whatever.
 
If they are autoed buybacks, they are still rookie cards in my mind. As mentioned - they’re altered but rookie cards still. As far as your collection - it’s really up to you what you want to add. Best of luck.
 
My PC guy never had an autographed RC, (was not a thing back then) and when this was released, I just knew I had to have a copy. I have never given the thought of what my buyback is considered, and to be honest I don't care... I love the card, even though it cost over 100x the non auto'd original version lol.

2014-15 Upper Deck 25th Anniversary Buyback Autographs #458 20/25
 
great8 said:
My PC guy never had an autographed RC, (was not a thing back then) and when this was released, I just knew I had to have a copy. I have never given the thought of what my buyback is considered, and to be honest I don't care... I love the card, even though it cost over 100x the non auto'd original version lol.
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Bolded part sums things up nicely for me. Not going to happen for my PC guy (Upper Deck didn't make 87-88 OPC Rookie Cards!) but I would be all over a buyback.

Is that card a "real rookie card" anymore? If it's a player we're a big fan of - just enjoy the card.

For Eichel... and UD is getting him to sign to sign Future Watch cards... it's all speculation as to "what" they are, but it can only be four things:

1. Eichel signed some of the cards, but no markings indicate this is a "certified" autograph

2. Eichel signed some of the cards, and UD gives them an extra hologram / serial number / coa

3. UD Prints new cards, passes them off as 2015-16 FWAs (extends the set 3 years after it was released). Card looks like a normal FWA from that year.

4. UD Prints new cards, uses the 2015-16 design, but creates them as "tribute FWA" (or something like that). Card is marked as an insert from 2018-19, not a rookie from 2015-16.

I just assumed they'd do one of the last two.... I can't see them doing the 1st one.

If they went with option #3, I think that's bad - and I wouldn't consider them to be rookie cards.
 
30ranfordfan said:
Bolded part sums things up nicely for me. Not going to happen for my PC guy (Upper Deck didn't make 87-88 OPC Rookie Cards!) but I would be all over a buyback.

Is that card a "real rookie card" anymore? If it's a player we're a big fan of - just enjoy the card.
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Well, they have put buyback OPC cards into OPC, so there's still a chance!

For Eichel... and UD is getting him to sign to sign Future Watch cards... it's all speculation as to "what" they are, but it can only be four things:

1. Eichel signed some of the cards, but no markings indicate this is a "certified" autograph

2. Eichel signed some of the cards, and UD gives them an extra hologram / serial number / coa

3. UD Prints new cards, passes them off as 2015-16 FWAs (extends the set 3 years after it was released). Card looks like a normal FWA from that year.

4. UD Prints new cards, uses the 2015-16 design, but creates them as "tribute FWA" (or something like that). Card is marked as an insert from 2018-19, not a rookie from 2015-16.

I just assumed they'd do one of the last two.... I can't see them doing the 1st one.

If they went with option #3, I think that's bad - and I wouldn't consider them to be rookie cards.
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If it's anything other than 2 or 4, I would be PISSED. 1 could be considered IP autos, I would think, and 3 is just all sorts of shady.
 
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and opinions. I know it will never happen but it would be cool if UD offered holders of cards, even if it was limited to certain issues, to send their cards in to be autoed. Maybe Cup Gold RPAs, FWA Limiteds, and any 1/1s. This would keep the numbers down and number cards would ensure the same cards were returned. Set a time limit on when they would need to be submitted by and have him sit down and sign the actual 2015s.

I know logistically it would be difficult so it won't happen but that would be ideal to me.

Thanks,
Kevin
 
30ranfordfan said:
My take: Not real rookies.

That doesnt make them undesirable cards.
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I agree. They will be very desirable cards (as they should be) and no doubt will command a premium, however, I won't consider them to be true rookie cards no matter what type of cards UD will have them sign (re-made rookie year cards, buybacks of the original rookies, etc).

But that is just my opinion. This makes for some awesome discussion points though from either side. To each their own of course.
 
The auto buybacks of the young guns from past years sell for a good amount of money compared to the regular young guns. While they might not be a truc rc to us most of the collectors will pay like they are.
 
LOTSOS said:
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and opinions. I know it will never happen but it would be cool if UD offered holders of cards, even if it was limited to certain issues, to send their cards in to be autoed. Maybe Cup Gold RPAs, FWA Limiteds, and any 1/1s. This would keep the numbers down and number cards would ensure the same cards were returned. Set a time limit on when they would need to be submitted by and have him sit down and sign the actual 2015s.

I know logistically it would be difficult so it won't happen but that would be ideal to me.

Thanks,
Kevin
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Leaf did something like that when they had Eichel on their Exclusive autograph agreement. I thought it was a very cool thing for them to do.

https://gogts.net/leaf-announces-jack-eichel-private-trading-card-signing/


Jack-Eichel-Signing.jpg
 
I did know about it but having to put a Leaf sticker on the back of the card was a turn off for me. That and $100 a signature.
 
I look at them like this,

Young guns = RC
FWA = RC (because of SP Authentic, non stickers)


anything aside from those I don't go after unless the price is right because of the consistency of the brand. The "buy back" Young guns to me are "inserts" the FWA /50 or less than the original serial number are "inserts" to me as well. Nice to have but not a necessity.

Leaf, I'm not a big fan of because of the logo issue. I collect Patrick Lalime in Penguins gear so when leaf decided to make him in the set with Pittsburgh jersey I ended up going after his. I dislike the way the hobby has made things /99 - all the way to /1 that gets annoying especially for the PC people.
 

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