Champs Mini's

[enforcersonly]

I saw a thread recently which gave the possibilities of pulling Brown, Red, Blue, Purple backed mini Champs card and what the cards were (possibly) numbered out to.

Can anyone remember what that was? I have one incoming and am interested to see what the possible numbering is. Thanks.

 

[Funkmobile]

According to the odds and assuming about 700 cases were produced that means
browns are approx /25
Reds are approx /12
blues are approx /6
purples are approx /3

 

[enforcersonly]

According to the odds and assuming about 700 cases were produced that means
browns are approx /25
Reds are approx /12
blues are approx /6
purples are approx /3

Thats the one! I should really learn to use the search function.

Thanks.

 

[leafs4_cup]

There is also a retail version for this product though, right? That would bump up those numbers a bit.

 

[Funkmobile]

There is also a retail version for this product though, right? That would bump up those numbers a bit.

When calculating the odds, I didn't factor in retail or rookies. The numbers are very very rough but gives you a good idea how rare each colour is

 

[jasonspezza19]

According to the odds and assuming about 700 cases were produced that means
browns are approx /25
Reds are approx /12
blues are approx /6
purples are approx /3

I doubt they're so scarce, There are too many listings with purple cards and other colors are almost given away I most cases. Does anybody know if it's sold out yet? Either that or the odds should be overlooked OR the first load of boxes had most of the parallels

 

[Funkmobile]

The odds are based on production 700 cases...it was mentioned before that the print run was 699 cases but of course if that is not accurate the numbers will be higher

 

[jasonspezza19]

All I'm saying based on what I've seen yet on ebay is that for being so scarce, many sells for pretty much nothing. I don't doubt it's 700 cases or anything, just got this feeling you get them more often then the odds says.

 

[ma88ie]

Based on the # of boxes I've opened (Don't ask!) the #'s are fairly accurate. I've lucked out on players, though, with aCrosby blueback and Lemieux & Kane redback mini sigs!

 

[quincy]

I wouldn't expect the retail to throw that off TOO badly. Maybe by a third at the outside.

 

[chadsexington]

All I'm saying based on what I've seen yet on ebay is that for being so scarce, many sells for pretty much nothing. I don't doubt it's 700 cases or anything, just got this feeling you get them more often then the odds says.

Realistically, this to me is a symptom of people being unaware of the odds. There people out there that still don't know Champs had a production run of 699, and the fact that the parallels are not numbered make it that much more difficult to ascertain the scarcity of. To the untrained casual eye, it will look like just another colored parallel, one that they may be able to pick up later on.

The quantity of purple backs out there is no different than the amount of UD Clear Cut Winners, BD Run for the Cup or any other case hit that shows up upon set release at any given time. Everybody's busting cases left and right, and it's only natural the big hits end up on eBay.

Then there of course is the collectability fact in that not everybody wants a purple back Jason Labarbera...no matter how scarce it is

 

[jasonspezza19]

Realistically, this to me is a symptom of people being unaware of the odds. There people out there that still don't know Champs had a production run of 699, and the fact that the parallels are not numbered make it that much more difficult to ascertain the scarcity of. To the untrained casual eye, it will look like just another colored parallel, one that they may be able to pick up later on.

The quantity of purple backs out there is no different than the amount of UD Clear Cut Winners, BD Run for the Cup or any other case hit that shows up upon set release at any given time. Everybody's busting cases left and right, and it's only natural the big hits end up on eBay.

Then there of course is the collectability fact in that not everybody wants a purple back Jason Labarbera...no matter how scarce it is

I think that might be the case as well. I'm stressing out cause I can't even find the brown one for my pc. I'm pretty sure you're right on that one with the casehits but if the odds are correct it means from day to day there's as much /3 & /6 as the /100 cards coming out from the respectively product (when it was newly broken), you get the feeling it's an endless supply.
Anyway I'm thankful if they tend to sell lower at this point as hopefully I'm about to reel in the purple for much less then the average /5 or /1

Upd. I picked up a purple Spezza for $17.51 dlvd, so I don't mind at all

 

[nashrules]

I have a feeling over time the parallel backs and parallel autos will grow in value on these because collectibility for many set or PC collectors will rise as more is known about these.

Ive seen cases first hand, and the stickers are huge, all # /699. All the cases I've seen have been numbered in the 300's, except 489.

I think the counts we have is close, if maybe not even a little high. if Purple backs are inserted at 1:2cases, my thought is that its a /2 parallel. No proof to back that up other than the math, which says 349 cards printed, so assuming they went ahead and did 2 full sets the print runs on these are SMALL. I've got a Red back of Brodeur, and Im holding it, because PC collectors will come knocking for this one. There's been exactly ONE on ebay.

Also, retail has no alternate backs as I understand.

Here's what the math tells me:
Total number of packs: 24 (packs per box) * 12 (box per case) * 699 (cases) = 201,312 packs

Red Backs: 1:144 201312/144 = 1398 cards / 192 in set = ~7 cards of each
Blue Backs: 1:288 201312/288 = 699 cards /192 in set = ~3.64 cards of each player in set
Purple Backs: 1:576 201312/576 = 349.5 cards /192 in set = ~1.82 cards of each player in set

Whats interesting is that out of 14 boxes, I never once pulled a brown back and a red back in the same box. It appears one alternate back per box. I have seen many other boxes opened, and never saw that differ. So that would alter the print run of the brown backs thusly:

Brown Backs: 1:24 (1 per box to simplify math) 699 * 12 = 8388 - 2446 (total of all other backs) = 5942.

5942/192 = ~30.94

If I had to guess, the print runs based on this math, and assuming no partial sets of each back, I'd say:

Black /30
Red /7
Blue /5
Purple /2

 

[Dohboi]

Then there of course is the collectability fact in that not everybody wants a purple back Jason Labarbera...no matter how scarce it is

shhhh...........someone might...

 

[CGS28]

i bought two boxes... got a Brown jeff carter and a Red Dany Heatley so that goes with the one in each box. then again I don't know if they were in the same box, i did not realize at first that the mini's had different color backs...