definition of a 1/1??

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So I have had this debate a few times with a few different people, but I am curious as to what you guys think...

When i add up my total number of 1/1's in my sakic collection, I count everything from pack inserted cards, to printing plates to expo stamped 1/1's... to this point I have not been including Nameplate cards that are numbered to the same number of letters as are in the players name, therefore allowing 1 card for each letter (ie SAKIC /5).... technically, the card is numbered /5, but there is only 1 of each letter... does that make it a 1/1 or because it is numbered /5 is it not???

The main reason I bring this up is because Prime have based their entire release upon these nameplates, which means I may have to rethink how I am counting my cards...

Also, should show stamped cards be considered in this list or do we count them separately since they were not pack inserted???

I am looking forward to hearing some new opinions on this one... let the debate begin :-)

Matthew
 
For me Printing Plates are /4. Just my opinion. I agree about Expo stamped cards being 1/1's (if stated as a 1/1) but, again, personally don't like 'em and don't have any.

I think that actual nameplate letters are 1/1's.
 
Nameplate cards: Physically speaking, every memorabilia card is unique, no matter where the exact swatch was cut from. Sometimes, memorabilia cards are set up by the manufacturer to contain specific pieces from a jersey, such as that from a fight strap or nameplate. "By The Letter" and other sets with the same theme take that approach to great extent, but ultimately, all five copies of a Sakic BTL (for example) are still the same card, just with different unique memorabilia swatches.

Unless the actual design of the card differs (as ITG has set up some of their sets), I think Nameplate cards are best referred to #/5 (for example) rather than 1/1 from a technical, checklisting perspective.

Printing plates: They may not be terribly interesting or unique, compared to other 1/1 sets, but every printing plate I've seen officially released in the hockey hobby has been very explicitly stated to be a 1/1. Manufacturers have readily included unique descriptions of each individual color -- either on the affixed sticker, or on the printed card frame.
 
I would never count a card stamped /5 as a "1/1". Show stamped cards.... IMO... certainly are. There is exactly one copy of that card with that stamp on it, and it's been stamped 1/1 by the manufacturer.

Doesn't mean that everyone wants them (show stamped) or that they are particularly valuable. Like Printing plates, there have been so many made now.... that they've lost their appeal to a lot of collectors.
 
1/1s to me are pack inserted cards in which you can only have 1 and is considered an official product during the licensed year. Or an ITG product made apart of their lineup for the year.

Thus 1/1. Only one!

Plates to me are nothing but companies trying to fill extra space or add "value" by making 4 different colored plate cards to a set. They are /4 imo.


By Letters or those Genuine Marks are not 1/1s.

Yes - "SAKIC" may only have 1 unique letter of each. But at the same time "MESSIER" has 2 "E" and 2 "S".

They aren't even labelled or meant to be 1/1s by the manufacturers anyways.


Show 1/1s are debatable.

I consider major shows like the Expo in Toronto to be true 1/1s as all card companies are present and each have a unique set of cards for the event.

Any other show like the Summit in Alberta, Bossa in Vancouver ... etc. I don't consider them 1/1s. It's only exclusive to that area, isn't meant for global reception nor is every manufacturer there. Same with those Cross-Country Tours by ITG. Nice free card with your box, but they are not 1/1s. Every store has the same lineup, and they are only store exclusive.
 
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I suppose how you choose to document your collection comes down to personal preferences, and not necessarily how the serial number is indicated by the manufacturer, or what other collectors think.
 
I don't count Printing Plates, Show Stamped cards or BTL's as 1/1's.

I don't even count printing plates or show stamped items as real cards. If a show item is produced specifically for an event, such as the UD Priority Signings or the recent BTP Anniversary cards, then I consider it a card, although still more of a novelty and not part of my checklist, since it's not available to everybody.
 
For me I count pack pulled 1/1's as true 1/1's, for me this counts pack inserted press plates that say 1 of 1 on them, there are 4 different colours to a press plate and therefore I consider them all different and unique in their own way. As for show stamped cards, they are nice adds to a player collection but I don't consider them "true" 1/1's. If counting true 1/1's I would only count pack pulled cards + pack pulled press plates.

However as it has already been said, how you choose to count or document your collection is a personal thing. Make sure you are having fun and are enjoying your collection to the fullest with whatever way you choose count or document :)

Cheers
Connie
 
TanguayFan said:
I don't count Printing Plates, Show Stamped cards or BTL's as 1/1's.

I don't even count printing plates or show stamped items as real cards. If a show item is produced specifically for an event, such as the UD Priority Signings or the recent BTP Anniversary cards, then I consider it a card, although still more of a novelty and not part of my checklist, since it's not available to everybody.
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The recent BTP Anniversary cards I considered "real" unique cards until ITG had the exact same cards for the National Expo as they did for the Spring Expo. Same cards just a National stamp instead of a Spring expo stamp, when companies do that it kills it for me.
 
Yip Collector said:
1/1s to me are pack inserted cards in which you can only have 1 and is considered an official product during the licensed year. Or an ITG product made apart of their lineup for they year.

Thus 1/1. Only one!

Plates to me are nothing but companies trying to fill extra space or add "value" by making 4 different colored plate cards to a set. They are /4 imo.


By Letters or those Genuine Marks are not 1/1s.

Yes - "SAKIC" may only have 1 unique letter of each. But at the same time "MESSIER" has 2 "E" and 2 "S".

They aren't even labelled or meant to be 1/1s by the manufacturers anyways.


Show 1/1s are debatable.

I consider major shows like the Expo in Toronto to be true 1/1s as all card companies are present and each have a unique set of cards for the event.

Any other show like the Summit in Alberta, Bossa in Vancouver ... etc. I don't consider them 1/1s. It's only exclusive to that area, isn't meant for global reception nor is every manufacturer there. Same with those Cross-Country Tours by ITG. Nice free card with your box, but they are not 1/1s. Every store has the same lineup, and they are only store exclusive.
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Concur on every point.
 
I guess everyone has different opinions here. So I'll offer my opinion...and how I collect. Remember, only my opinion.

I count every pack-inserted card, that there is only one of, as a 1/1. If it is serial numbered 1/1, then it is a 1/1 for sure (except show cards, which I go into more detail below).

Printing Plates: only one Cyan version, only one Magenta version...etc. I count them as 1/1s because there is only one of each. Most are labeled 1/1 even.

Nameplates/By The Letters/etc: using Gaborik as example. Cards are serial numbered #/7...one for each letter in his name. If card is labeled 1/7, it is the "G"....7/7, it is the "K". There can only be one "G" and one "K"...one of each letter (if really using a game-used jersey). So I count this as a 1/1 in my eyes...there can only be one of those cards. For the person that says MESSIER has two "E's"...the card will be serial numbered 2/7 for the first "E" in his nameplate...and 6/7 for the 2nd "E". So you know which letter it is. Still only one of each letter in his nameplate...I consider a 1/1 for each letter.

As far as Show 1/1s: I do not count them as true 1/1 cards. They were never inserted into a pack/box of product. Usually they are offered as freebies for opening a product at a show...or offered as a prize for attending. Some are just extra cards from the real product that are stamped 1/1. Some are made special just for that show. I do not count them as true 1/1s.

I do not count eBay 1/1s either (serial numbered to player's jersey number or first or last serial number in the print run). Some people put a premium on those, but that is up to the collector who pays for it. If they think it's special to them, then let them pay a premium. I won't.

Unless the HOBBY gods/authorities state otherwise, this is how I collect and classify 1/1s. As of today, I have seen nothing "official".

So everyone can collect 1/1s as they see fit. Enjoy the hobby! :beer:

--Curt
 
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GabbyGuy said:
Printing Plates: only one Cyan version, only one Magenta version...etc. I count them as 1/1s because there is only one of each. Most are labeled 1/1 even.
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But this has also been proven to be false, at least for Upper Deck. I distinctly remember some members here getting 2 plates of the same color.

Anyways, for me, if it is stamped 1/1, then it is 1/1. If it isn't numbered as such on the card (or on the pack insert description) then it isn't. Its really that simple. The only reason questions like this come up is because of the whole "jersey number matches the sequence number" thing, which I think is BS.
 
1/1

I have previously asked this question on HI and thus given many of your past responses will share what I have learned from many of you.

1. A card numbered that is #1/1 is clearly a true 1/1:
2. A card that is not-numbered but is the only manufacturers version of a card is clearly a true 1/1 (example Gold Version of Franchises for new Forever Rivals product)
3. A show card that was reproduced or taken out of an insert, stamped #1/1 or 1/1 is a true 1/1 (example /9 card with manufacturers stamp)
4. A redemption card that was the only redemption printed by manufacturer is a true 1/1 (this is demonstrated by various lists Beckett, SCF, etc that actually have the card listed with print run of /1, also applies to #3 above)

What is not a 1/1:
5. someone claiming the jersey number say Beliveau #4/10 or #4/100
6. A PSA rated card that is the highest grade say 1951 Beliveau PSA 9 (mainly because ungraded cards could also be out there of same quality, other graders with a card of equal quality through different grading system)

However, what I think still needs debate is when a manufacturer produces a card of a series /299, /100, /10, /1 and mildly changes only the color this may be debated as not the same to say a card only produced as /1 (example 2011 UD The Cup Property of. Reality both sets have a marked or unmarked and thus true 1/1 but these situations are clearly not the same.

My thoughts
 
My definition: If a card is stamped as 1/1 or is clearly noted on the company's checklist that it's the only copy available (i.e. ITG Gold versions). Anything else is bs imo.
 
echoi69 said:
My definition: If a card is stamped as 1/1 or is clearly noted on the company's checklist that it's the only copy available (i.e. ITG Gold versions). Anything else is bs imo.
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+1/1 ;)

I don't collect printing plates cause I can't stand them... and I don't consider show-stamped cards as part of my stats for my PC completion percentage (though I try to get as many as I can, and thanks to ITG in the early years of the millenium I have almost 100 show-stamped 1/1's). So collecting-wise, to each their own, collect and count your stats the way you like, but definition-wise agree 100% with echoi69, if the manufacturer calls it 1/1, then that's what it is.
 
Made to Orders are about as close as you can get to a true 1/1 in the hobby nowadays. Everything else just gets reproduced the next year. Players get one (or two or even three) shield cards per year. We see the same Property Ofs each fall. Base parallels are aren't even that special any more (with the possible exception of the Cup ROOKIE Blacks). And then there's the plates....
 
CWYL!

Is a Nugent-Hopkins Titanium #/93 a real rc??
Is a Printing Plate even a card??
Is a By The Letter a 1/1?? (Letters from Superlative are marked 1/1 but BTL are #/Letters in Players name)

It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks. What matters is you collect what you like.
 
Tripredacus said:
But this has also been proven to be false, at least for Upper Deck. I distinctly remember some members here getting 2 plates of the same color.

Anyways, for me, if it is stamped 1/1, then it is 1/1. If it isn't numbered as such on the card (or on the pack insert description) then it isn't. Its really that simple. The only reason questions like this come up is because of the whole "jersey number matches the sequence number" thing, which I think is BS.
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UD screwing up and inserting too many plates has no relevance to whether plates in general are 1/1.

Personally, I think there are so many 1/1 cards now that I don't even care if I have them, aside from trade/sale value. There is and will not be a 1/1 card in my collection anymore unless it something really creative.
 

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