Here's an issue I don't think has been discussed on these boards....

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Here's a topic that has never been discussed before on this board (I think) and I would like to discuss it further in detail with members here.

Let's say you are on ebay and there is a rookie card you are definitely interested in. You look at the listing and the picture of a card that is for sale. In the scan it clearly shows lets say 5 colors in the picture (And let's all agree 99/100 people say it's 5 colors). All it says in the description is that....... "this card is for sale"

You click the "buy it now" and you are now waiting to get this card in the mail. Now a week passes buy and the card arrives, you open it up and the card is only 3 colors. You go to the original listing and the scan/picture of the card and it's still 100% 5 colors. You just paid $1500 for a card that you expected to be 5 colors and instead you received a card that sells for $100 as a 3 color.

So here's my question......

Is it not the responsibility of the seller, who looked at the scan/picture of the card, as he was loading it onto his eBay listing and used that scan of the card and put it up for sale on eBay to make sure it is an accurate picture of the card????
Or does he just load the scan that shows 5 colors on his ebay listing, sells immediately for the buy it now price and then when he gets confronted by the buyer he says.....it must be the scanner?

Is it not SHADY of the seller to list that card knowing that it is a "bad scan" of the card....
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Is it the buyers fault for not asking each and every time he's interested in any card to ask if the scan of the card is correct? Is it really 5 colors and could you please list all the colorsr in the patch?

I've heard responses like....

"It's my responsibility as the buyer to ask how many colors are on each and every card I buy off of eBay and to do this every time I am looking at a scan of the card I am interested in."

"You know this teams patch can't produce more than a 3 color patch, so why would you buy it?"

I for one am honest enough as a seller and totally understand the HUGE premiums that are out there for multi-colored patches and odd patches as well. I have learned.....You never know what patch UD will use on a card. A lot of the rookie photoshoots cards UD has produced have other patches placed on those photshoot jerseys that are NOT regularily on a regular game worn jersey AND that will most definitely put certain cards with odd and multicolored patches at a great premium. Whether it's a totally different patch that UD has never used before on a card or patch swatch that was mixed up from a totally different team/player. A lot of these cards are in very high demand.


I for one will not use a faulty scanner as an excuse, as a seller or buyer, to try and dupe someone into buying or selling a card that isn't EXACT to what it is scanned.

And I will not also ask every single person I am dealing with, when trading or buying cards whether they can take the time to go thru all the patches I am interested in because for me the scan of the card will definitely suffice.

I would love to see what Bruce or Steve (as mods on this site) think about this situation, if it has happened on here lately or if it even has ever happened before on HI?

More importantly I would like to see what the members think about a situation like this.....

Whether the card in question is a 3 color patch that usually sells for $20 or $300 and it now sells for $250 or $3000 as a 6 color patch isn't really important here. What is relevant is what would you do if YOU were buying a 5-6 color card at a HUGE premium and got back a 3 color card where the scanner was blamed to be the problem......
 
If the card I get doesn't match the serial numbering or patch in the description, I'll request a refund from the buyer and return his card. If he's not willing, then I just leave negative feedback and give the reason why. I believe you can file a Paypal complaint as well, but I haven't gone that far. I only sell what I actually scan. I hate image stealers.
 
If this relates to the Leaf patch that appeared to be 3 colors and not 2....I think that while it would have been nice to have it in the description - ultimately, it's the buyer's responsibility.

I think if it seems to be a premium patch with a vague description....the warning bells should go off and questions should be asked. Especially if the difference in price could be in the hundreds of dollars.

It can eliminate the potential headaches down the road.

Just my opinion.
 
To a point. The seller has a responsibility to fairly represent what he sells.
 
It's a clear case of false advertising.

If I put up a picture of a cat with the caption "pet for sale" and sell you an iguana, who's fault is that? What person would not have the reasonable expectation of a cat!
 
If, like you say, 99/100 people would agree with your view of the scan and there was no information included in the description (lets face it - there are tons of "you are buying the card in the scan" listings these days) then the onus is certainly on the seller - especially if they have a jacked up scanner.

Knowing the projects you work on - I am going to guess that the current card is undesirable and I would be looking for a refund and move on.
 
hederman said:
It's a clear case of false advertising.

If I put up a picture of a cat with the caption "pet for sale" and sell you an iguana, who's fault is that? What person would not have the reasonable expectation of a cat!
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That's apples to oranges. It'd be more like putting up a picture of a black/white cat in dim lighting and you find out it's only black. He didn't advertise a Stalberg and send him a Rosehill.

Either way you can tell if you look at the picture that it's a shadow. You got the exact card with the exact patch that was shown. Seller has no responsibility.
 
So if I pay for a card with Canadian Tire money it's cool because no where did it say cash?
 
In the case you are talking about, you are clearly at fault for two reasons.

First, there is no gray in the Leafs uniforms, and seeing something you thought was gray should have given you a BIG FREAKING CLUE that either the scan was not the greatest quality (or, as I think happened, you have two different types of white material - one reflective and one less so which would make one read significantly whiter than the other - try scanning the card yourself and see what happens instead of taking a picture of it and see if there is a similar problem). When you see a patch that doesn't jive with your knowledge of the uniform, you ask about it.

Second, there is no description that says three colors, and the scan is not clearly three colors. There was not much a description period. If you were that concerned about having three colors, you needed to ask the guy to make sure. You jumped to conclusions are were wrong rather than something in the description being wrong.

This card was never represented as a three-color patch. You thought it was a three-color patch. There's a big difference. The seller has every right to be mad at you because he sent you the card that was pictured and described. The problem was your faulty assumption, not anything he did.

No, you don't need to ask about every card, particularly when you've got like... a Hawks logo with really contrasting colors. But look at the one of the far left of Joe's signature. Is that silver or white? It reads silver to me, but I know from experience with Blues' jerseys that it's white. If you were super invested, for whatever reason, in having no white on your patch, you would need to double check to see that it was (or in this case, was not) silver because it doesn't fit with your knowledge of the jersey and the colors are close enough there could be issues with how true it reads in a picture or a scan.

The lesson you need to learn from this is about assumptions and communication. Don't assume anything that is not explicitly clear from the description and know that scans, like any picture taking, can slightly misrepresent colors.

You returned the money to Paypal yet or the card to the seller, btw?
 
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