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Official Update - 20-21 Upper Deck Ice & 21-22 Upper Deck Trilogy are cancelled and will not be released.
21-22 Upper Deck Series 1 is slated for a December release. (From CloutsNChara)
 
I wonder if they will release some Ice hits in some of the other products...ice /99 rooks and Ice Premiere patch auto /10 are highly sought after by collectors. Hope they will be included in the likes of Ultimate Collection or something like that??

Why not consider a mish-mash product like Rookie Update back in the day??
 
Everyone's been saying it but Trilogy and ICE should have been merged into a single product a long time ago. I think Allure has done a good job at taking over for Trilogy. I wonder what UD's plans are for some of the popular sets from Ice & Trilogy?
 
They have to include both the /99 Ice Premieres and RPA /10 somewhat. Can't imagine not having those cards for Lafreniere/Kaprizov/Stutzle
 
Philobut said:
They have to include both the /99 Ice Premieres and RPA /10 somewhat. Can't imagine not having those cards for Lafreniere/Kaprizov/Stutzle
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Perhaps as a random insert in The Cup. I don't know what other 2020-21 content is still coming.

I know when they cancelled Ice as a standalone product in 2009-10, they included bonus "Ice" packs in Black Diamond that year. Or in 2012-13 when they cancelled Ultimate Collection, they included those hits in The Cup.
 
That leaves these for 20-21...

O-Pee-Chee Platinum
SP Authentic
Ultimate Collection
Stature
Premier
Clear Cut
The Cup
 
I think the strangest thing is they haven't released a statement as to WHY exactly things have been delayed/canceled. We all know why in essence but an official statement would really help in my opinion!
 
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Straight from UDs Twitter:

UD AHL: 11/3
OPC Platinum: 11/10
TC World Juniors: 11/17
2021-22 NHL UD1: Early December
2021-22 NHL MVP: December
Ultimate Collection NHL: Mid December
Stature & Premier NHL: Late December
2021-22 NHL O-Pee-Chee: January
2020-21 NHL SP Authentic: January
 
IN all honesty they should do one of two things.. do a double class where SPA and Cup become monster products for 21/22 by combining both years similar to 06/07 or reduce the number of sets to just the core releases and for all the extra rookies that people want put them in series 3 aka Extended
 
UD has long stated that Ice is one of the longest lead time products due to the use of the acetate cards... so to hear it's cancelled now is a potentially puzzling to me... it's likely been off the table for a while. It remains to be seen if any of it was printed and as such, if it makes it's way out through alternate channels like in other products. Trilogy was likely just to clear some scheduling space for the manufacturers so that the bigger cash cows like UD1 didn't get delayed further.

Cory
 
Since I am in the US - I feel the need to help explain things in the supply chain.
I own a retail store and my wife is the purchasing agent for a large packaging company.

You cannot believe what products are impossible to keep receiving and or even getting !
My wife's company makes corrugated from scratch (big paper rolls weighing 2500 lbs., a silo full of corn starch ) to make the corrugated and then glue to adhere the corrugated to the cardboard sheets. Paper rolls - good thing they have 90 days supplies on hand because you have a 60 day plus lead time now. Glue??? - they have had to shut down the plant multiple times due to lack of glue delivery. Strapping that holds the finished boards?? Hard to find right now also. God forbid any of their truck drivers retire..... cant find replacements anymore either. And I'm talking about a company that pays very well.

My store - Can't get fine cotton fabric for custom shirts, can't get fill-ins on belts and socks. Tailoring supplies are longer lead times, I ordered fabric zip up garment bags for suits imprinted with my name on them - 2 months ago with an open ended delivery date.

The point of all this drivel is that while a lot of the comments are directed at the cards themselves - a lot of the problems are ancillary to the cards. Its getting foil for the packs and boxes that hold the packs and cartons that hold the boxes. It's getting people to work in the company period - the labor shortage here in the States is real and it will drag down the economy. As will the price increases in everything along the supply chain from goods to shipping companies like UPS.

Think what this does to UD's bottom line!
Fewer products to spread the cost of the NHLPA's fees across. Fewer wholesale sales to help pay the overhead at UD. They won't be the ones raising the prices on their products (some of those pre-sells have already been out there) more like the Distributors. And don't think for a second that this is not a different scenario at other companies. They may not be cancelling or scaling back just yet - but it could very well happen.

Ultimately it will be us - the collectors - that get the increases.
 
COVID and the cash grab on UD Extended makes me think ththere is more at play here. Fanatics is just a tip of the iceberg for how the entire market is going change. Upper Deck is just the middle-man now, they will be bought out.

Let's wait and see what Fanatics will do. I think the Ice Premieres set is huge. It would be a shame for the /99's to disappear entirely let alone for 1 year. Just my 2 cents there.
 
suitman19 said:
Since I am in the US - I feel the need to help explain things in the supply chain.
I own a retail store and my wife is the purchasing agent for a large packaging company.

You cannot believe what products are impossible to keep receiving and or even getting !
My wife's company makes corrugated from scratch (big paper rolls weighing 2500 lbs., a silo full of corn starch ) to make the corrugated and then glue to adhere the corrugated to the cardboard sheets. Paper rolls - good thing they have 90 days supplies on hand because you have a 60 day plus lead time now. Glue??? - they have had to shut down the plant multiple times due to lack of glue delivery. Strapping that holds the finished boards?? Hard to find right now also. God forbid any of their truck drivers retire..... cant find replacements anymore either. And I'm talking about a company that pays very well.

My store - Can't get fine cotton fabric for custom shirts, can't get fill-ins on belts and socks. Tailoring supplies are longer lead times, I ordered fabric zip up garment bags for suits imprinted with my name on them - 2 months ago with an open ended delivery date.

The point of all this drivel is that while a lot of the comments are directed at the cards themselves - a lot of the problems are ancillary to the cards. Its getting foil for the packs and boxes that hold the packs and cartons that hold the boxes. It's getting people to work in the company period - the labor shortage here in the States is real and it will drag down the economy. As will the price increases in everything along the supply chain from goods to shipping companies like UPS.

Think what this does to UD's bottom line!
Fewer products to spread the cost of the NHLPA's fees across. Fewer wholesale sales to help pay the overhead at UD. They won't be the ones raising the prices on their products (some of those pre-sells have already been out there) more like the Distributors. And don't think for a second that this is not a different scenario at other companies. They may not be cancelling or scaling back just yet - but it could very well happen.

Ultimately it will be us - the collectors - that get the increases.
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Not to take away from the thread, but I always wondered why your username was suitman :laugh:


As for the canceling of products, I'm not entirely surprised. I always felt like they were spreading themselves very thin by putting out so many with subpar cards, especially last season. I find it especially odd that they chose Ice to cancel considering its place in the hobby.

Also, 20-21 product halfway through 21-22? Ok :crazy:
 
Sad to hear S1 won't be out for the Expo. But saving money is always a good thing.

I should add - its interesting that both of these are non-epack products.
 
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If they produced any Ice cards, it may be inserted into SPA. I don't see any other product they could insert it to unless it was packaged as a bonus pack. Hard to imagine no 99 rookie of Lafreniere, Kaprizov or Stutzle.
 

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