Iginla a top 10 scorer of all time?

[str8jkt]

Interesting article. I'm sure this will get jumped all over with people listing tons of players that would rank higher, and of course this doesn't seem to take into effect any of the newer players (Crosby, Ovechkin, etc..)

Still an interesting read and interesting take on stats..

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2010/12/3/1853764/jarome-iginla-top-5-goal-scorer-of-all-time

 

[hederman]

And if Santa were real we'd get better presents.

These types of comparisons and hypotheticals are utterly pointless. Facts remain the same.

Oh, I know, let's throw Crosby and Ovechkin on teams from the 1920s and watch them score 200 goals a year. Puhleeze.

 

[jmatchett]

I'd say it's actually easier to score more when you're the only one counted on to put up production. You play more, get the best passers, etc. When Mario played, for instance, he had the option to shoot, or pass to guys like Jagr, Murphy, Stevens, Mullen, etc. Same with Gretzky in Edmonton. Everyone on Calgary knows that Iginla should be the guy shooting the majority of the time. Still a great goal scorer though. If he went to another team with more talent, woudl you argue his total would skyrocket? I think that if he played on, say Detroit, his numbers would be about the same because different players would be sharing the load.

 

[chefjason]

good read, interesting math, numbers dont lie. lol.

 

[SkyFire47]

And if Santa were real we'd get better presents.

LOL, i was gonna start of with "...and if the queen had balls, she'd be king"


that's the thing about stats, they represent the bottom line. every player that was compared against Iginla also played with their own set of circumstances and the stats, in the end, show what the player did with what they had.

how would Iggy have compared to Gretzky if they never broke up the dynasty and he played his entire career like the 92 goal season? hypotheticals are pointless.

 

[ryancalgary]

I'd say it's actually easier to score more when you're the only one counted on to put up production. You play more, get the best passers, etc. When Mario played, for instance, he had the option to shoot, or pass to guys like Jagr, Murphy, Stevens, Mullen, etc. Same with Gretzky in Edmonton. Everyone on Calgary knows that Iginla should be the guy shooting the majority of the time. Still a great goal scorer though. If he went to another team with more talent, woudl you argue his total would skyrocket? I think that if he played on, say Detroit, his numbers would be about the same because different players would be sharing the load.

Yes and no.

Yes Iginla got more minutes, better minutes.

No, because he had absolute BUMS playing with him for most of his career. He won the Art Ross with Craig Conroy and Dean McAmmond on his line. Look back at old film and Iginla would get double-teamed along the wall and still come out with the puck. He's one of the best we've ever seen at coming off the sideboards.

That said, he's not in a league with those guys mentioned in the article (in my mind) and I agree that comparing across generations is useless. Shanahan and Howe are reasonable comparables in terms of style, but Gretzky/Bossy/Lemieux/Hull/Bure were all different players.

The one thing I will say is this: the telling stat is that since Iginla has been in the league he has almost the same number of goals as Selanne who is considered an all-time great scorer and a HOF lock. That tells me that Iginla IS an all-time great scorer and assuming he plays a few more seasons probably a HOF lock.

There is a big difference between being an all-time great and being the greatest of all time though...

 

[str8jkt]

Knew people would jump all over this.

Either way some stats are impressive when you look at them.

Since Iginla has played with the Flames he has scored 15.8% of all Flames goals. Of course the Flames have always been far from prolific scorers but its still an impressive stat on its own.

As I stated before I can't put Iggy as a top 10 scorer of all time even with these stats that have been twisted.

Just interesting read and take on things is all.

Also to elaborate on the point above, argue all you want but if Iginla had been provided with a long term star player on his line his stats would be much higher in my opinion.

 

[sprague11]

And if Santa were real we'd get better presents.

These types of comparisons and hypotheticals are utterly pointless. Facts remain the same.

Oh, I know, let's throw Crosby and Ovechkin on teams from the 1920s and watch them score 200 goals a year. Puhleeze.

I put it the other way - Put Joe Malone on todays teams and watch him score 160 goals

 

[89chinook]

Gotta love an article that presents a different view point. Interesting indeed, numbers don't lie.
Considering players of different times is one of those useless yet unending ways of comparing who's better than who in almost every area.
Who's the better goalie, Roy, Sawchuk, Brodeur?
Who's the best fighter, John Fergeson, Bob Probert, Tie Dummy?
Who's the best skater, Paul Coffey, Mike Mondano, Sidney Crosby?
Who's the best coach, Scotty Bowman, Pat Burns, Dan Bylsma?
This could go on forever, give me some stats and I'll make an argument that PJ Stock is the greatest..........analyst.......commentator.....

Ok, maybe not, but give me some numbers and I can twist anything into whatever you want it to be.

Whatever! IGGY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FASTMAX]

And if Santa were real we'd get better presents.

These types of comparisons and hypotheticals are utterly pointless. Facts remain the same.

Oh, I know, let's throw Crosby and Ovechkin on teams from the 1920s and watch them score 200 goals a year. Puhleeze.

SANTA ISNT REAL???:whatthehell::whatthehell::whatthehell: Your lying! LYING! lol.

 

[sprague11]

I can answer all the questions posted earlier based on subjectivity!

Who's the better goalie, Roy, Sawchuk, Brodeur? -
Roy, on account of his broken nose.

Who's the best fighter, John Fergeson, Bob Probert, Tie Dummy?
If the fight were happening today I'd go with Domi.

Who's the best skater, Paul Coffey, Mike Mondano, Sidney Crosby?
Depends on whether Crosby is faster than Modano, or Modano is faster than Coffey. Coffey may be faster than Crosby.

Who's the best coach, Scotty Bowman, Pat Burns, Dan Bylsma?
Whoever could stay employed the longest.

 

[koondog44]

Here's my take on this article.

- The dude who wrote this is a 32 year old single male, living in his parents basement. I also believe he will be there for a very long time. In his free time (which is all day long), he likes to take indulge in illegal drugs. Who else could try to twist the entire history of hockey to make his favorite player look better than he is

- Before I read this, I felt Iggy was a sure fire Hall Of Famer. After seeing all these comparisons, I think I might have changed my mind. Apparently Iggy is self centered and a puck hog. Cleary he is unable to raise the play of the people around him like other greats such as Dino Ciccarelli and Mike Bossy. At least those guys spread it out among others which in turn lead to more scoring in the games...which usually leads to more wins, and sometimes even a Stanley Cup (or two or three). Yes, I am NOT serious about any part of this paragraph.

- As others have said, one can manipulate almost anything to look more favorable than they really are. As some have also shown, it is easy to turn things the other way too. I don't like the Flames, but do think the world of Iginla. He will make the Hall of Fame one day, I'm sure of it. I doubt anyone will have to "crunch" any number by the time that comes around...they will speak for themself.

PS - As a Vancouver canuck, Todd Bertuzzi has a higher points per game average than Naslund, Linden, Smyl, both Sedins. Is Bert really better than all of them ? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY :beer:

 

[gratzi]

I love Iginla to death but that article is friggin' bonkers. One thing is for sure though, Iginla is a HHOF lock and I'd wager when it's all said and done, probly will be first ballot.