Is anyone sick of "vintage" ??

[sba]

I was reading the thread about Nolan Patrick that I missed while I was moving, and there's a lot of interesting back and forth about Leaf's trying to revamp their offerings, and people losing interest in Leaf and in general the hobby being in a weird state of flux right now.

And I guess it kind of triggered something I've been thinking for a few years now....

At what point to "vintage" memorabilia and autos get played out? Seeing UD stick like 20 vintage guys in every set is boring to me at this point. I lived and collected through the years of Mario, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, etc... I'm sure they help sell products to a degree, but I assume at this point everyone who wants a Patrick Roy patch card, jersey card, patch auto already has one.

Are any of these guys even highly collected anymore? Or have those collectors just given up knowing they're chipping away at a veritable iceberg of cards of their player?

Is Leaf/ITG fading because there's been 150 different memorabilia cards of every HOFer at this point? The secondary market is ripe with Richard, Howe, Hull, etc auto's and memorabilia. Who's going to pay $300 a box to add more onto the ebay pile?

I understand there's definitely a niche, but at what point are we done with new cards of old players?

 

[Elias Devil]

I'm obviously not their intended target for vintage as I'm 27 and my favorite team isn't much older than that, but I do see where you are coming from. Throwing in the same old players over and over again seems redundant. Not to pick on ITG/Leaf because they are nice looking cards but how many times does one person need to collect a vintage player on a very similar looking card as the year before? I get it that they're gonna use up the entire jersey/stick/skate whatever but it doesn't appeal to me too much at all.

 

[shams99]

I was reading the thread about Nolan Patrick that I missed while I was moving, and there's a lot of interesting back and forth about Leaf's trying to revamp their offerings, and people losing interest in Leaf and in general the hobby being in a weird state of flux right now.

And I guess it kind of triggered something I've been thinking for a few years now....

At what point to "vintage" memorabilia and autos get played out? Seeing UD stick like 20 vintage guys in every set is boring to me at this point. I lived and collected through the years of Mario, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, etc... I'm sure they help sell products to a degree, but I assume at this point everyone who wants a Patrick Roy patch card, jersey card, patch auto already has one.

Are any of these guys even highly collected anymore? Or have those collectors just given up knowing they're chipping away at a veritable iceberg of cards of their player?

Is Leaf/ITG fading because there's been 150 different memorabilia cards of every HOFer at this point? The secondary market is ripe with Richard, Howe, Hull, etc auto's and memorabilia. Who's going to pay $300 a box to add more onto the ebay pile?

I understand there's definitely a niche, but at what point are we done with new cards of old players?

I think you are correct. In another thread many talked about why "vintage" graded cards sell well and have increased is about the same issue. Nothing new, same signers and like you said, don't all the Patrick Roy collectors have the auto patch they want. I think the market for the 80's and 90's stars is drying up and their auto patch cards don't sell for what they want. Too much supply and not enough demand. It does have a flipside in that more collectors are able to add some of that era's biggest stars to their collections. THat does not help those who bought a lot and now don't get the value if they were to sell.

 

[Triple B]

Market saturation is a horrible thing, isn't it?

 

[odjickfan]

Most of the cards that I add to my collection are Nordiques cards and cards of older Canadiens player. I think that it's a generation thing: the people who have serious income to spend on the hobby are older and they like to collect the heroes from their youth.

 

[nybravest]

Or why not switch up the retired guys? I'm sure there's guys from the 60s 70s and even the 80s that don't have that many auto cards. Look at what the tony twist limited logos were selling for when they first came out. Most likely because he didn't have much before that.

 

[penguinsChief]

As a Mario collector I agree with this, I would like to see less of his stuff coming out every year. He has had 200 Unique cards this year already, of those only 13 are not serial numbered! When a guy has over 8300 cataloged cards (not to mention stamped or others) and of those 1764 are 1/1's, I think you can stop now.

On the flip side, I always find another card to buy, and if someone is asking crazy money for something I can walk away and know I can find something else.

For me right now, I am looking for ALL the pre-2000 cards and having fun finding those. It is even more fun knowing only one of them is a 1/1 and I know who has it, unfortunately he is asking the world so for now it is out of reach. I guess it could be worse but a slowdown, or one set a year would be great....

 

[piper1]

If you have any Patrick Roy or Guy Lafleur cards you a sick of please lmk and if you have some that I still need I will gladly trade you the newer stuff you want for them.

 

[ChuckNorrisFearsSid]

Market saturation is a horrible thing, isn't it?

It's so far beyond saturated at this point.

 

[lucky19]

I personally like the fact that there is a continuing supply of non GU and AU Sakic and Roy issues for me to add to my collection.I agree with nybravest however and would like to see more/different players used in future releases.

 

[odjickfan]

I personally like the fact that there is a continuing supply of non GU and AU Sakic and Roy issues for me to add to my collection.I agree with nybravest however and would like to see more/different players used in future releases.

I agree with you that it would be cool to see new names. For the Habs, cards of Guy Lapointe, Serge Savard, Jacques Lemaire and the likes would do well.

Forsberg, Sakic and Clark in Nordiques uniform are welcomed too.

 

[TheGriceBoys]

In the same vein, and no offense to the masses here, but I'm totally over Canada hockey everything with regard to cards. I get it, they can ice 3 full all star teams and have a hockey heritage like no other. terrific.

But c'mon, someone pony up and get it done for the other countries. Hockey is a global game, regardless of Canada's dominance. UD please don't be so ignorant to think the other teams cards wouldn't be snapped up quickly, or in some cases, quicker.

This hobby needs a lot of new ideas and fresh influx of stuff. Programme of Excellence for the umpteenth time is just as boring as the 800th Ovechkin parallel this year and all these "vintage" guys again and again.

 

[Triple B]

I'd love to see some hobby love for guys who DON'T appear on cards any more. Every team has a ton of those guys. I begged for someone to put out some Nikolai Borschevsky cards. ITG not only listened, they went and got the man's autograph! He was one of my favourite Leafs during their 92/93 run.

If they included guys like that or even take a page out of ITGs old offerings and make tribute sets to Canada's teams and maybe another set with teams in the US, they'd be well served.

 

[hockeyguy2006]

In the same vein, and no offense to the masses here, but I'm totally over Canada hockey everything with regard to cards. I get it, they can ice 3 full all star teams and have a hockey heritage like no other. terrific.

But c'mon, someone pony up and get it done for the other countries. Hockey is a global game, regardless of Canada's dominance. UD please don't be so ignorant to think the other teams cards wouldn't be snapped up quickly, or in some cases, quicker.

This hobby needs a lot of new ideas and fresh influx of stuff. Programme of Excellence for the umpteenth time is just as boring as the 800th Ovechkin parallel this year and all these "vintage" guys again and again.

Totally agree with all of these points.

 

[cburt]

I was reading the thread about Nolan Patrick that I missed while I was moving, and there's a lot of interesting back and forth about Leaf's trying to revamp their offerings, and people losing interest in Leaf and in general the hobby being in a weird state of flux right now.

And I guess it kind of triggered something I've been thinking for a few years now....

At what point to "vintage" memorabilia and autos get played out? Seeing UD stick like 20 vintage guys in every set is boring to me at this point. I lived and collected through the years of Mario, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, etc... I'm sure they help sell products to a degree, but I assume at this point everyone who wants a Patrick Roy patch card, jersey card, patch auto already has one.

Are any of these guys even highly collected anymore? Or have those collectors just given up knowing they're chipping away at a veritable iceberg of cards of their player?

Is Leaf/ITG fading because there's been 150 different memorabilia cards of every HOFer at this point? The secondary market is ripe with Richard, Howe, Hull, etc auto's and memorabilia. Who's going to pay $300 a box to add more onto the ebay pile?

I understand there's definitely a niche, but at what point are we done with new cards of old players?

I've always been more of a fan of real vintage cards, not the memorabilia variety. Although I can see the appeal that the memorabilia stuff has for some collectors (i.e. especially having a piece of Howe, Orr, Richard and the older legends), I see this stuff fading, with more of a stronger focus on real vintage.

 

[gomaz]

In the same vein, and no offense to the masses here, but I'm totally over Canada hockey everything with regard to cards. I get it, they can ice 3 full all star teams and have a hockey heritage like no other. terrific.

But c'mon, someone pony up and get it done for the other countries. Hockey is a global game, regardless of Canada's dominance. UD please don't be so ignorant to think the other teams cards wouldn't be snapped up quickly, or in some cases, quicker.

This hobby needs a lot of new ideas and fresh influx of stuff. Programme of Excellence for the umpteenth time is just as boring as the 800th Ovechkin parallel this year and all these "vintage" guys again and again.

Totally agree with all of these points.

I do too.

Time to replace POE in Cup with the US or European equivalent. For two reasons.

1. Fans of those countries' national teams deserve the same treatment and would likely do as well as the POE is given the same print run treatment.

2. Year after year of doing the POE has degraded all prior years demand for the cards. Why do a 7th version of Toews POE when you can do a first version of Selanne or Fedorov? Assuming of course UD can get autos of enough non-Canadian players to make it work. Come back and do POE every 3rd year or something like that.

 

[Hama]

I do too.

Time to replace POE in Cup with the US or European equivalent. For two reasons.

1. Fans of those countries' national teams deserve the same treatment and would likely do as well as the POE is given the same print run treatment.

2. Year after year of doing the POE has degraded all prior years demand for the cards. Why do a 7th version of Toews POE when you can do a first version of Selanne or Fedorov? Assuming of course UD can get autos of enough non-Canadian players to make it work. Come back and do POE every 3rd year or something like that.

Biggest issue is licensing, if you want to go about it by the numbers - and USA Hockey licensing seems to a bear. The cost of getting licenses from other programs may not justify the investment, just like the reason why there is no broad Olympic based card sets. Outside of jerseys, I don't think USA Hockey has much in place, and it's nothing like USA Baseball.

Also, Programme of Excellence has been a Hockey Canada program that has been in place for about 30 years which brought about the national junior team and then later on, all high performance teams at all levels for Hockey Canada.

 

[GoalieFan89]

While I collect "vintage" players, I have zero interest in them on newer cards. I'd rather have the "originals". Patch/jersey cards have very little interest to me as the market has been littered with them. A once cool idea is now very tired and old.

This hobby has become very "flavor of the month" for the majority so it's better to stick to that. I'd rather be one of those small percentage of people who only go for the vintage stuff.

 

[gomaz]

Biggest issue is licensing, if you want to go about it by the numbers - and USA Hockey licensing seems to a bear. The cost of getting licenses from other programs may not justify the investment, just like the reason why there is no broad Olympic based card sets. Outside of jerseys, I don't think USA Hockey has much in place, and it's nothing like USA Baseball.

Also, Programme of Excellence has been a Hockey Canada program that has been in place for about 30 years which brought about the national junior team and then later on, all high performance teams at all levels for Hockey Canada.

USA hockey would likely take their money. Why not, don't they want to grow the game? Rhetorical, don't answer lol.

With respect to the 30 year comment, who cares? The issue is saturation, not tradition. Skip-year it then. Keep'em coming, just slow the pace. Make it exciting again.

 

[LeafGregg]

I was reading the thread about Nolan Patrick that I missed while I was moving, and there's a lot of interesting back and forth about Leaf's trying to revamp their offerings, and people losing interest in Leaf and in general the hobby being in a weird state of flux right now.

And I guess it kind of triggered something I've been thinking for a few years now....

At what point to "vintage" memorabilia and autos get played out? Seeing UD stick like 20 vintage guys in every set is boring to me at this point. I lived and collected through the years of Mario, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, etc... I'm sure they help sell products to a degree, but I assume at this point everyone who wants a Patrick Roy patch card, jersey card, patch auto already has one.

Are any of these guys even highly collected anymore? Or have those collectors just given up knowing they're chipping away at a veritable iceberg of cards of their player?

Is Leaf/ITG fading because there's been 150 different memorabilia cards of every HOFer at this point? The secondary market is ripe with Richard, Howe, Hull, etc auto's and memorabilia. Who's going to pay $300 a box to add more onto the ebay pile?

I understand there's definitely a niche, but at what point are we done with new cards of old players?

The only fade at Leaf/ITG is my haircut.