Is this a first? 20-21 OPC Update

[Luongo Collector]

So previously there was a discussion about if UD Compendium cards were considered RC's. I collect a RC of every goalie, so I've decided yes, they will count. We have seen some cards made only in compendium of goalies, and never made in a "real" product lets say. So take someone like Hogberg. 2 shots now at a RC, and nothing. THere are a few others as well, Miska, Lyon, Appleby?

Which brings us to Pavel Francouz

We all believed the question was answered when UD decided to just have him as a regular base card in the 20-21 OPC set. Great, seemed like we got our answer....

But hold on, then he was given a Young Guns in series 1. Again, this isn't a first as 02-03 had some young guns that werent RC's, Centomo, Nurminen, Etc., and most recently, Alex Stalock in 11-12, even though his RC was the year before.

So still no real answers I guess.

Then I realize that Francouz is in the OPC Update from series 2 as a Marquee Rookie. This whole argument has gone off the rails already, by my question is this....

Is this the first time we've seen a base card of a player in a set, only to be followed up by a RC in the update set?

My brain hurts


Chris

 

[steveottfan]

Compendium rookies should be considered rookies and you made the right choice counting them. This is why.

These new Francouz cards should be categorized similar to guys in 02/03 (Henrik Tallinder good example) who had cards labelled as rookies but their real rookies were the year before.

I think once Francouz started to create some buzz, UD sacrificed consistency to enhance the current year rookie offerings by adding him in as a 'Rookie.' That or they made a mistake. I really think they should have known better here.

Ryan Graves and Caleb Jones both have base cards in O-Pee-Chee and nothing further. Their only rookies are in Compendium. Francouz is the exception, not the norm.
Interesting point about Ryan Graves. He also has a Topps sticker this year which is NOT a 'Rookie Debut' its just a regular base card. So another company seems to consider the Compendium a rookie.

There are a good number of players who have their only rookie card in Compendium: Viktor Loov, Hunter Miska, Chase Balisy, Will O'Neill, Justin Kloos, Ben Thomson, Justin Auger, Andrew Crescenzi, Brady Austin, Dakota Mermis, Ken Appleby, Nick Ellis, Curtis Valk, Alex Lyon, Saku Maenaelanen, Jacob Nilsson, Joseph Gamberdella, Anthony Richard, Ben Gleason, Lukas Radil, Marcus Hogberg, Patrick Russell, Sean Walker, Bogdan Kiselevich, Egor Yakovlev, Tyler Lewington, Logan O'Connor, Radim Simek

If these are rookies, why not include ANY of those players in a lower end release or any 'rookie' set the following year? If the compendium rookies aren't rookies, then why label these cards with a big "ROOKIE" on the front?
Again, in all of this, Francouz is the exception and if his Young Gun is labelled as a rookie it creates WAY more problems and inconsistencies.

Also, if you're trying to argue that Compendium shouldn't be considered a true rookie because its 'only available online' then I'd counter with that they are sold on the same platform alongside other Upper Deck products like UD1/2. In 2000, online only might have meant restricting access and a good segment of collectors. In 2021, it means the exact opposite. In many worlds, a product sold only in shop means much less access than if it goes to epack.
Another point I'll address is the argument that Compendium rookies aren't rookies because the 'blue' base cards are a parallel. I'd argue that the 'blue' Compendium cards are the real 'base' card because the online only versions are the nature of how that product was, a new and different concept. How is the blue a parallel of something that was never printed?

That's all for now.

 

[missionhocky10]

Compendium rookies should be considered rookies and you made the right choice counting them. This is why.

These new Francouz cards should be categorized similar to guys in 02/03 (Henrik Tallinder good example) who had cards labelled as rookies but their real rookies were the year before.

I think once Francouz started to create some buzz, UD sacrificed consistency to enhance the current year rookie offerings by adding him in as a 'Rookie.' That or they made a mistake. I really think they should have known better here.

Ryan Graves and Caleb Jones both have base cards in O-Pee-Chee and nothing further. Their only rookies are in Compendium. Francouz is the exception, not the norm.
Interesting point about Ryan Graves. He also has a Topps sticker this year which is NOT a 'Rookie Debut' its just a regular base card. So another company seems to consider the Compendium a rookie.

There are a good number of players who have their only rookie card in Compendium: Viktor Loov, Hunter Miska, Chase Balisy, Will O'Neill, Justin Kloos, Ben Thomson, Justin Auger, Andrew Crescenzi, Brady Austin, Dakota Mermis, Ken Appleby, Nick Ellis, Curtis Valk, Alex Lyon, Saku Maenaelanen, Jacob Nilsson, Joseph Gamberdella, Anthony Richard, Ben Gleason, Lukas Radil, Marcus Hogberg, Patrick Russell, Sean Walker, Bogdan Kiselevich, Egor Yakovlev, Tyler Lewington, Logan O'Connor, Radim Simek

If these are rookies, why not include ANY of those players in a lower end release or any 'rookie' set the following year? If the compendium rookies aren't rookies, then why label these cards with a big "ROOKIE" on the front?
Again, in all of this, Francouz is the exception and if his Young Gun is labelled as a rookie it creates WAY more problems and inconsistencies.

Also, if you're trying to argue that Compendium shouldn't be considered a true rookie because its 'only available online' then I'd counter with that they are sold on the same platform alongside other Upper Deck products like UD1/2. In 2000, online only might have meant restricting access and a good segment of collectors. In 2021, it means the exact opposite. In many worlds, a product sold only in shop means much less access than if it goes to epack.
Another point I'll address is the argument that Compendium rookies aren't rookies because the 'blue' base cards are a parallel. I'd argue that the 'blue' Compendium cards are the real 'base' card because the online only versions are the nature of how that product was, a new and different concept. How is the blue a parallel of something that was never printed?

That's all for now.

I agree with all of this.. You listed Sean Walker in your list of players that only had a RC in Compendium and looks to be one of the couple at most that may actually be an NHL regular to not be in any other set. I think the Blue version should be the base RC too since it's the first version you can actually get physically. There isn't any way you can tell me this card with ROOKIE written across the bottom from years ago and him not being in another set is not his only true rookie card.

Since then, he was in the Topps Sticker set and like Graves, he was not featured with the rookies.

Otherwise, his only cards to come out will be with today's release of UDS2 and he is in the base set, not a YG.

So yea, I agree that the Compendium cards are real rookie cards haha

 

[DCUnited96]

At a point last season, it was looking like Francouz might overtake Grubauer. Obviously, that has not happened, but I can see why Upper Deck might have considered Compendium too obscure for a possible number one keeper from a Cup Contender when they were making the UD1 Checklist.

They may also have looked at the exploding soccer market, which has many, many examples of easily obtained (Prizm, Chrome) overriding more obscure previous year cards in the "Rookie" department. Cliff Notes version: Timo Werner has cards from 13-14, but 2018 releases are preferred.

In the end, the Francouz 20-21 OPC base - UD1 Young Guns - OPC Update RC - and whatever follows run of cards is not a good look.