Multiplier for hard-signed autos?

[DredJAw]

Generally, hard-signed autos do much better then band-aid autos... and we all know if given the choice we'd rather have them hard signed.

Lately, I find I have been discriminating AGAINST band aids even going as far as bypassing them all together.

Simple question:

Should Beckett distinguish between the two and provide a multiplier for hard signed?

Also, think I could post this over at Beckett or would it start to much of a pissing match and get me banned?

 

[langway05]

Ernie

A good poll question. I went with the Yes! option!

As for posting this over on the 'Other Board!' I vaguely remember seein' something along these lines awhile back.

Brian

 

[GarkoCollector]

If that gets you banned over there, then you dont need to be there because that would be ridiculous. People have a hard time picking their battles there though.

In any case, I also prefer the hard signed autos. I do not consider sticker autos for my collection. I think that the hard signed should book higher than the sticker autos, not necessarily a multiplier. Good thought though...hope it happens some day.
Tom

 

[PenaltyMan]

Most older auto sets have hard signed autos, so would you give a premium to thousands and thousands of hard signed autos, including the ITG BAP autos for all years?

 

[jaywings19]

I would say it's not necessary to have a multiplier on hardsigned autographs. The reason we have a multiplier for jersey cards is that you are comparing the exact same card with itself... just with a different element (swatch).

Comparing one hardsigned Gretzky autograph to a sticker Gretzky autograph from another set should not yield a multiplier on the hardsigned one. That's why each set has it's own price guide listing. It's not like it says Gretzky 03/04 SOTT (2x Gretzky 04/05 All World Autograph).

I think the "only" case that could be made is the Ice Glacial Graphs vs Ice Glacial Graphs Sticker Variation. Then you are comparing the same exact card, but one is hardsigned and the other is not.

So "no" to a multiplier.

 

[Megatron]

I don't think a multiplier would work in terms of some products (higher end) will always have hard signed and cheaper products might use stickers. It just would be too tricky and I don't see the "B" implementing such a move. I do think however the "market", AKA collectors realize the hard signed command a premium(just look at ebay). I always spend a bit more on hard signed but there are some stickers in my PC just beacuse that's the way technology works sometimes.. I may not like them 100% but it's a fact of life now..
L

 

[The Great Zo]

To be honest, I'm not sure how much this question makes sense.

Multipliers are used for two general reasons:

1) To raise value above the base-set price for shorter-run parallel sets.
2) To raise value for exceptional "swatches" above that of a plain swatch.

Both of these require an "upgrade" to a basic concept -- say, a base set upgraded to a #/50 parallel, or a white swatch upgraded to a 3-color patch.

As such, a multiplier really wouldn't apply to sticker/hard-signed autos, since specific autographed cards are almost never available in BOTH forms. (An exception would be the UD Ice Glacial Graphs, but that is a very isolated incident). Using a multiplier in this way would imply that the "base" version is a sticker auto, but a more-desirable hard-signed version was also available.

As for older hard-signed sets gaining in value -- even if there was evidence to support this on a large scale (which there isn't), multipliers again would be irrelevant. Beckett would simply bump the prices up in the set.

 

[Justin K-ski]

My response from another site...

People ask this question about five billion times per week. The answer is always the same. No. The reason for any card having multiplier is that there are some cards that are more rare and/or desireable within a certian set. Unless UD starts making more "sticker variations" then a hard signed multiplier ain't happenen'.

Think about it this way. For a multiplier to exist, there has to be something to multiply. What would BH say, "2.5x non-existant card that we made up in order for an unneccesary multiplier to be created"?

 

[g-force]

Ernie;

Interesting idea, but the answer should be no. The only time a multiplier would be required is if the same player had both sticker and hard signed autos in the exact same card of the exact same set. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. Hard signed auto sets may grab a premium on the market but this would be reflected in the pricing for the set and not a separate blanket multiplier.

 

[CupCrazed1]

I prefer hard signed myself(I certainly wouldn't pass on something along the lines of an Octograph though!). I don't see the need for a multiplier however, as each insert set is priced on it's own. The only exception would be 05-06 Ice, with the "sticker" parallel. Unless they are significantly rarer than the hard sined versions, and player collectors and set collectors drive the prices up, I'd say a .5-.8 multiplier would seem right.

Generally, hard-signed autos do much better then band-aid autos... and we all know if given the choice we'd rather have them hard signed.

Lately, I find I have been discriminating AGAINST band aids even going as far as bypassing them all together.

Simple question:

Should Beckett distinguish between the two and provide a multiplier for hard signed?

Also, think I could post this over at Beckett or would it start to much of a pissing match and get me banned?

 

[Habs Fan]

I voted yes, coming from a person who has many more sticker autos, the fact of the matter is, Hard signed autos go for more $$$.

I compare it to 2 clr patches vs 5 clr patches, 5 clr patches will sell for more hince the 1.5 or 2x BV,