PSA 10 Premier Jagr RC On The Move

[bluechip]

Anybody notice OPC Premier PSA 10 Jagrs Rookies have been surging of late....Before you could pick them up for 75-100....

 

[TheGriceBoys]

Anybody notice OPC Premier PSA 10 Jagrs Rookies have been surging of late....Before you could pick them up for 75-100....

Honestly, we could do a thread like this every couple days as everything is moving, just depends on the flavor of the week.:laugh:

 

[theblindtiger]

Is this a card that some pump and dump group is hyping right now then?

 

[FrozenInferno]

Jagr deserves higher prices based on his accomplishments but the supply of his OPC RCs is still too high for demand IMO. There are almost 7,000 of them in PSA 9 and 10 combined.

 

[Burner]

I noticed this too. It's a little absurd. OPC Premier was short printed relative to Score/UD but they're still tons of them. Notice the same isn't true for Modano, Federov, Roenick, Moginly or Cujo? I realize they don't have the same accolades as Jagr but if the set was truly that scarce or sought after, those RCs would be doubling in price from about 2-3 years ago too. There's definitely some games being played.

Another reason why I think the prices are being manipulated is because I had 9 UD Jagr RCs, all PSA 10. I sold them all in 2016 when I was dumping a lot of my cards on ebay. At auction the average sale price of all 9 were about $42. Looking at the last 3 months of eBay, the average price is about $50ish dollars on that same card. I only had 2 Score PSA 10 RCs and they sold for $21 and $33. You can get them anywhere from $30-50. The OPC Premier has about doubled in price and is trending towards 2.5 (thanks to PWCC and Probstein. Not a coincidence IMO that these 2 sellers are involved.)

 

[FrozenInferno]

I definitely smell a buyers group manipulation going on here. I think they are trying to get in and drive him up ahead of his eventual HOF induction (will he ever retire??) but I don't see that effecting his prices enough to be a big investment type move. Everybody knows he's a 1st ballot HOFer so you'd think that would be be built into his prices already, and besides that the supply is obviously massive.

You need only look at Joe Sakic and his 1989 OPC RC as one comparable. All time great with Cups and gold medals, AND is Canadian, AND is already in the HOF, but the card sells for crazy low prices. A PSA 10 can be had for less than $150 CDN. And there are WAY less of that card graded in PSA 9 or 10 than the Jagr OPCP. Like, less than half as many.

So is there any reason Jagr, with more than twice as many high grade cards out there as Sakic, should sell for so much more? It doesn't make sense to me. Whoever may be pumping them up might not have any knowledge of the hockey market.

 

[Burner]

I definitely smell a buyers group manipulation going on here. I think they are trying to get in and drive him up ahead of his eventual HOF induction (will he ever retire??) but I don't see that effecting his prices enough to be a big investment type move. Everybody knows he's a 1st ballot HOFer so you'd think that would be be built into his prices already, and besides that the supply is obviously massive.

You need only look at Joe Sakic and his 1989 OPC RC as one comparable. All time great with Cups and gold medals, AND is Canadian, AND is already in the HOF, but the card sells for crazy low prices. A PSA 10 can be had for less than $150 CDN. And there are WAY less of that card graded in PSA 9 or 10 than the Jagr OPCP. Like, less than half as many.

So is there any reason Jagr, with more than twice as many high grade cards out there as Sakic, should sell for so much more? It doesn't make sense to me. Whoever may be pumping them up might not have any knowledge of the hockey market.

Not to go off topic, but wasn't the Sakic RC year when Topps was actually scarcer than OPC?

 

[Burner]

Also another thing of note about the Jagr RCs... a lot of them have the new PSA labels. For a card that's been around almost 30 years, there's an unusually high proportion of them that were graded in the last 1-2 years when those new labels came out. A card that isn't serial numbered, has white borders, is really hard to trace and is mainly being dumped by PWCC and Probstein? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of altered/trimmed cards starting to find their way into circulation

 

[FrozenInferno]

Not to go off topic, but wasn't the Sakic RC year when Topps was actually scarcer than OPC?

Looks that way from PSA populations. Even then the Topps card still sells cheap. A PSA 9 was bought for $38 CDN about a week ago and that grade has a pop of only 130. There are only 17 PSA 10s in existence so I couldn't find any recent sales on that one.

 

[FrozenInferno]

Also another thing of note about the Jagr RCs... a lot of them have the new PSA labels. For a card that's been around almost 30 years, there's an unusually high proportion of them that were graded in the last 1-2 years when those new labels came out. A card that isn't serial numbered, has white borders, is really hard to trace and is mainly being dumped by PWCC and Probstein? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of altered/trimmed cards starting to find their way into circulation

Pretty sure the new lighthouse flip labels have been around since 2016.

There are hardly any Jagr OPCPs on eBay right now in 9+ grades which is odd for a card with almost 7000 of them out there. Has to be people out there just slamming BINs on every copy that comes up for cheap and hoarding them. Which is annoying because I actually want one for my new graded HOF RC PC and now the prices are going up and they're disappearing way too fast to be logical.

If anybody has a PSA 9 for sale preferably with that newer label PM me lol

 

[steveottfan]

The rise has continued and this is now a $250 US card.

 

[Burner]

The rise has continued and this is now a $250 US card.

Crazy. In 3 months it went from a $50 to $125 card and then in another 3 months it went from $125 to $250. Maybe by Thanksgiving it will be $500.

I am positive there is some games being played here. As I mentioned earlier, the Modano, Mogilny, Belfour, Cujo, Fedorov, Roenick RCs from the same set haven't budged much. Not the same class of player but certainly their values would go up too? I don't see other Jagr cards (Score RC, UD RC, patches, autos etc) quadrupling in value in such a short time.

 

[FrozenInferno]

Crazy. In 3 months it went from a $50 to $125 card and then in another 3 months it went from $125 to $250. Maybe by Thanksgiving it will be $500.

I am positive there is some games being played here. As I mentioned earlier, the Modano, Mogilny, Belfour, Cujo, Fedorov, Roenick RCs from the same set haven't budged much. Not the same class of player but certainly their values would go up too? I don't see other Jagr cards (Score RC, UD RC, patches, autos etc) quadrupling in value in such a short time.

The Score and UD RCs are fugly so I'm not surprised they aren't as desirable as the action shot on the OPCP.

I know of a couple people who are buying Jagr PSA 10s and they say his eventual HOF induction (in 20 years time when he finally retires lol) will be one of the events that will boost his popularity but I don't see how it would make any difference. I could ask my cat and she'd tell you that everybody already knows Jagr is a first ballot HOFer so shouldn't that already be built into his legacy and prices at this point?

And like you say if you look at other stars from the era who are already in the HOF - Sakic being one other glaring one - they don't get much action on the market either. The print runs and graded populations are just too high to be absorbed to that point and Jagr should be no exception but yet his prices are climbing. IMO it's definitely from a small segment of people who dialed in on Jagr and are just buying up everything waiting for the HOF thinking it'll double him over night or something. I just don't see the HOF moving the needle as much as some of these guys seem to think. He's basically in already and I think we all know it.

Being 2nd all time on the points list certainly counts for a lot but even that should be no match for the sheer volume of RCs he has out there.

Edit: As this is an older thread bumped up I just realized I said most of this already and forgot lol but my arguments still stand

 

[cygnusx1]

The Score and UD RCs are fugly so I'm not surprised they aren't as desirable as the action shot on the OPCP.

I know of a couple people who are buying Jagr PSA 10s and they say his eventual HOF induction (in 20 years time when he finally retires lol) will be one of the events that will boost his popularity but I don't see how it would make any difference. I could ask my cat and she'd tell you that everybody already knows Jagr is a first ballot HOFer so shouldn't that already be built into his legacy and prices at this point?

And like you say if you look at other stars from the era who are already in the HOF - Sakic being one other glaring one - they don't get much action on the market either. The print runs and graded populations are just too high to be absorbed to that point and Jagr should be no exception but yet his prices are climbing. IMO it's definitely from a small segment of people who dialed in on Jagr and are just buying up everything waiting for the HOF thinking it'll double him over night or something. I just don't see the HOF moving the needle as much as some of these guys seem to think. He's basically in already and I think we all know it.

Being 2nd all time on the points list certainly counts for a lot but even that should be no match for the sheer volume of RCs he has out there.

Edit: As this is an older thread bumped up I just realized I said most of this already and forgot lol but my arguments still stand

I'll second a lot of what you've said here, and also say that at some point I think there will be a catastrophic drop off in prices for a lot of cards. I've watched a lot of these rookie card prices from a distance, and aside from the major ones (Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid) I don't see how these prices could possibly be sustainable. At some point there will be a crash IMO

 

[Burner]

The Score and UD RCs are fugly so I'm not surprised they aren't as desirable as the action shot on the OPCP.

I know of a couple people who are buying Jagr PSA 10s and they say his eventual HOF induction (in 20 years time when he finally retires lol) will be one of the events that will boost his popularity but I don't see how it would make any difference. I could ask my cat and she'd tell you that everybody already knows Jagr is a first ballot HOFer so shouldn't that already be built into his legacy and prices at this point?

And like you say if you look at other stars from the era who are already in the HOF - Sakic being one other glaring one - they don't get much action on the market either. The print runs and graded populations are just too high to be absorbed to that point and Jagr should be no exception but yet his prices are climbing. IMO it's definitely from a small segment of people who dialed in on Jagr and are just buying up everything waiting for the HOF thinking it'll double him over night or something. I just don't see the HOF moving the needle as much as some of these guys seem to think. He's basically in already and I think we all know it.

Being 2nd all time on the points list certainly counts for a lot but even that should be no match for the sheer volume of RCs he has out there.

Edit: As this is an older thread bumped up I just realized I said most of this already and forgot lol but my arguments still stand

Fair enough. I'll take off my tin foil hat lol

Too bad Brodeur and Hasek don't have an OPC Premier RC

 

[quincy]

As I said in the FB thread:
This is familiar territory for the Jagr OPCP PSA 10. In the late 90s/early 00s, $150-200 USD was the norm.

 

[FrozenInferno]

As I said in the FB thread:
This is familiar territory for the Jagr OPCP PSA 10. In the late 90s/early 00s, $150-200 USD was the norm.

Sure, but back then were there 2,700 of them in PSA 10 holders like there are now? Grading was still in its infancy in those years. The pop has swelled quite a bit over twenty years and now that prices are rising again there are plenty more getting pulled out of dusty shoeboxes to get sent in.