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Looks like the Raptors have finally pushed the button on this trade and he is on his way to Toronto along with Marcus Banks for J.O and Jamario Moon. AWESOME trade if you ask me b/c Marion gives you as many points and rebounds as J.O, is younger, healthier and is a great team mate and played absolutely brilliantly in Phoenix with Steve Nash.

Reaction seems to be that this is a bad deal however b/c now the Raptors don't have anyone off the bench to play the 4 or 5. Geez, fans can be so picky! Marion is versatile and you can move him around between the 3 and the 4 and even a little bit of the 2. Hump is going to be healthy soon and he can get some minutes. Plus it's the damn bench and as long as the big 5 are producing, who the hell cares?? Look at the starting 5.

Jose Calderone- leads the league in F/T%, top 5 in assists and t.o/assist ratio and is widely regarded as one of the best floor generals in the league.

Anthony Parker- One of the most consistent Raptors over the past 2 years and a true pro. Sure, he has had an off year, but he does what is told and has even played the point this year.

Andrew Bargnani= Has grown leaps and bounds under the guidance of Triano and is playing the most consistent he has in his NBA career. If he wasn't he not J.O would be the one that got traded.

Chrs Bosh- 4 time all star and the cornerstone of the franchise. Enough said. Not the dominating player he was at the start of the season, but you can count on 20/10 from him for the next 10 years.

Shawn Marion- Multi-time all star and was a 20/10 player in Phoenix. Very consistent player at both ends of the court and flourished in the desert and should go back to his high level of performance with this change of scenery.

Sounds pretty good doesn't it??? Arguably 4 all star caliber players in the starting line up and not too many teams can say that. It also seems to be a consensus that Marion will leave Toronto in the off season. If he performs and the Raptors make the playoffs, I say he has a good a chance to stay here as anywhere else. He has a history with Collangelo, so I am guessing that if he wants him, Marion will stay and if not the Raptors have that money to sign another big name guy or couple of other players. This is an EXCELLENT move and if anyone knows anything about basketball, you would think the same...
 
Marion - if he sticks around - won't be around longer than the end of this season. I think he has an expiring contract and becomes a Free Agent. They already have Bargnani playing at the 3 and quite well right now - at a much better value than Marion. Plus Marion was unhappy playing second banana already in Phoenix behind Nash and Amare, and was likely not happy about playing second fiddle to Wade - so how do you keep him happy with Bosh playing the lead?

Basically I see this deal as a trade off of expiring contracts. O'Neal's contract is to expire after next season - when the frenzy for LeBron, Carmelo, Wade and Bosh is supposed to take place, while Marion is this year. If the thinking is to use the money from Marion's contract towards another upgrade to play along with Bosh, Bargnani and Calderon - ahead of Bosh's contract ending, then it's sound. By deploying the money this summer, management is hoping there's enough in place to make Bosh really think about staying with a significant playoff run next year.
 
Slam is reporting that the deal is done pending league approval.


http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/02/breaking-jo-to-miami-marion-to-toronto/

Oneil and Moon for Marion and Banks. I like the deal for TO, all they need is to go after Nash now and they will be fantastic to watch. The Suns have passing around word that Amare and Nash are possibly available. This was on NBA TV last night. I think Nash would love to play in TO and it would be a lot easier to keep Marion on the Raptors if his buddy Nash was there.

Brian Colangelo still has some great contacts with the Suns, who knows it could happen.
 
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Marion wasn't the main guy in Phoenix either and put up big time numbers. Nash was the architect and Amare was the big dog and Marion just picked up the scraps and still produced. Marion is a free agent at the end of the year and that leaves them with a lot of flexibility come the summer time.

Marion is a secondary player and he will have to learn to play that role and I don't think he will have a problem playing next to Bosh if that's what he has to do. Bosh is younger and the franchise guy, something Marion has never been.

This trade is largely for the present and making the team better now and that's why I like it. You can't wait around and see what is out there next year and hope Bosh stays. Do something big now and put things into your own hands. Collangello knows what he's doing. Two time executive of the year and has something to prove to himself and the rest of his peers and I have all the faith that he will..
 
newfiecomicguy1 said:
Slam is reporting that the deal is done pending league approval.


http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/02/breaking-jo-to-miami-marion-to-toronto/

Oneil and Moon for Marion and Banks. I like the deal for TO, all they need is to go after Nash now and they will be fantastic to watch. The Suns have passing around word that Amare and Nash are possibly available. This was on NBA TV last night. I think Nash would love to play in TO and it would be a lot easier to keep Marion on the Raptors if his buddy Nash was there.

Brian Colangelo still has some great contacts with the Suns, who knows it could happen.
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I heard the Nash rumours earlier this season as well. EEKS, that would be absolutely nuts! Nash simply adores his Canadian roots and it would be his dream to play here in Toronto, but why trade Calderon? He is a younger Nash and is blossoming into one of the better point guards in the league. People here need to remember that he is only in his 3rd season in the league...
 
Shawn Marion's contract is off of the books at the end of the season. So, the Raptors will have $17 million to "play" with during the offseason.

Should be interesting. Can't wait to see on Wednesday, first game after the All-Star weekend!
 
Nash is a free agent after 2009-10, and if Triano is still on board - you can count on Nash signing in Toronto as a virtual lock - given their relationship and Nash's wanting to work with him again.

If Nash is coming on board, it'll likely be as a backup - Calderon is still relatively young. Nash is 35-36 right now with a tempermental back - and he's logged a lot of minutes over the course of his career. You cannot really count on him playing 40-42 minutes/game anymore.

Marion has been the second banana and put up good numbers in both places - but the reason he wanted out of Phoenix and Miami is that he wants to be the main man. In Toronto, as long as Bosh is there, Marion won't be the primary option - so it's doubtful he'd want to stick around after this season. And in the grand scheme of things, the Raptors don't need another 3, Bargnani and Graham are carrying their weight already when given the opportunity.
 
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Nash is a free agent after 2009-10, and if Triano is still on board - you can count on Nash signing in Toronto as a virtual lock - given their relationship and Nash's wanting to work with him again.

If Nash is coming on board, it'll likely be as a backup - Calderon is still relatively young. Nash is 35-36 right now with a tempermental back - and he's logged a lot of minutes over the course of his career. You cannot really count on him playing 40-42 minutes/game anymore.

Marion has been the second banana and put up good numbers in both places - but the reason he wanted out of Phoenix and Miami is that he wants to be the main man. In Toronto, as long as Bosh is there, Marion won't be the primary option - so it's doubtful he'd want to stick around after this season. And in the grand scheme of things, the Raptors don't need another 3, Bargnani and Graham are carrying their weight already when given the opportunity.
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Marion wouldn't be the #1 option on any contending team though. He's always been a secondary option and has flourished in that role in the past. Doubt that the Raptors will be able to sign Nash in 09-10 since they will have their hands filled with Bosh, but perhaps a trade or something can be worked out. Nash would look insane in a Raptors uniform and it would be a great way to end his hall of fame career..
 
Marion is an expiring contract so he won't be a Raptor for very long. Nash I can see coming when his contract expires OR in some sort of deal before hand, but he will be a Raptor. Colangelo loves Calderon and won't dump him to add Nash. I see Nash coming in and being second fiddle unless he completely outplays Calderon.

With Bargnani FINALLY playing as well as they hoped he would, Marion is of no use here, especially for $17 million. They also need to find a way to trade Chris Bosh because as much as they push him as the face of the team, he ain't no leader and won't be the guy to take the Raptors to the next level. Sorry to say it. It was mentioned about the Pistons as a possible destination with Tayshaun Prince coming here. Either way, bigger changes are needed. I hope the Raps tank the rest of the season and get a lottery pick.
 
Not sure if the Raptors are going to tank the rest of the season and me as the eternal optimist hopes that the addition of Marion can push them to a higher level and give them a playoff spot and who knows what can happen.

I agree with your thoughts on Bosh. He is an excellent player, but he has not been able to take them to the next level and he's not the type of player that will be able to do that. Not too many 4's are in the league actually. Every championship team over the past few years has had a solid team. Look at the Celtics, Pistons etc. Not necessarily the team with the biggest superstar, but the best all around team has come out in the end. That's what Collagello should strive towards.

Rumors are rumors and whatever they end up doing with Bosh, they will end up with an all star player in return.
 
I believe I heard the Raptors will have 10 million dollars at their disposal this off season for possible transactions...
 
Thinking about it some more, while I don't think Marion will be with the Raptors for long, he WAS drafted by Colangelo and if he shows he can play well with the Raps offensive system, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs long term.
 
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Thinking about it some more, while I don't think Marion will be with the Raptors for long, he WAS drafted by Colangelo and if he shows he can play well with the Raps offensive system, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs long term.
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My thoughts exactly. Marion should want a place to reestablish his career since he has bounced around the last couple of years. I see him being a focal point in this offense, more than what J.O was at least.

With him gone, Bargnani and Bosh will continue to get more touches and Marion finally gives the Raptors a proven scorer/defender on the wing. If you look at this trade deeper and deeper, nothing bad can come from it.

Even if Marion is a complete bust, they can just let him go and get someone else. If he finds himself and shows his all star form, the Raptors will make a run for the playoffs...
 
Marion should have an incentive to play well; he's in his contract year. It's usually in their contract year that athletes turn it up a notch.

I disagree with a few that say that Chris Bosh is not a franchise player. He might not flash and dazzle like the Lebrons and Kobes, but then, he's not playing the 1 or 2 position, a position where the player is able to create his own offense. Tim Duncan is a big and the franchise player of San Antonio. But he's surrounded by really good players. I don't think the Raptors have someone like Manu Ginobili who is able to create and make something out of nothing. And role players like Matt Bonner who is paid $$$ to shoot, unlike Kapono who likes to dribble and try to create a shot. Unfortunately, that's not Kapono's strong point.

And I don't think Bargnani played the 3 position too well. He looks a lot more comfortable playing the 5, where he is faster. Plus his ability to shoot 3s draws the opposing team's centre away from the basket, which should allow a player like Marion/Graham to drive the ball inside!

When I watch the Raptors on tv, I sometimes wonder if it was a mistake to let Garbajosa go. His efforts don't always show up on the stat sheet, but he did the little things that the Raptors aren't getting right now.
 
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Thanks for your input Tina. I TOTALLY agree with your thoughts on Garbo. Letting him go was a mistake and something that shouldn't have happened. He wasn't a star by any means, but he did everything well. Score a little, defend a little, rebound, whatever it was he provided all of it. Plus he was a good team mate and provided a guy that knew how to win. Delfino provided the same kind of thing and added depth. I believe the Raptors had one of the best benches in the NBA that year they had them and now it's one of the worst.

As far as Bargnani goes, the reason why he is playing well now is b/c he has confidence. In the past he was switching positions like a yo yo and moving in and out of the starting line up. Credit Triano with finding him a position and role with the team and letting him flourish. Bargnani is too slow to play the 3 however and is more suited to play the 5 and his numbers this year prove that.

Bosh is one of the best 4's in the league, but if you compare him to the superstars in the league, his numbers and impact isn't as big. I love Bosh and everything about him. I wish he stays since he unlike the stars they had in the past, doesn't have any drama or baggage along with him and doesn't want to leave..
 
I was just thinking. Joe Johnson is a free agent this year and wouldn't it make sense for him to sign here in Toronto? That is of course the Marion experiment doesn't work and they have the cap space to make a play for him.

Joe Johnson is as we all know one of the best scorers in the league and he can defend a little and handle the ball as well. Personally, I would like Marion to find his game to how he was in the past since he gives more than Johnson does, but Johnson does provide an interesting option.
 

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