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All the hobby heavyweights, collectors, companies and vendors, came together for this inaugural show, what an incredible new option for the hobby. Many people are calling it the “National West”. This was the feeling out and networking edition, and they’re going to build on it and make it better each subsequent year.

Probably the most positive and fun show the hobby has seen in forever, no negativity, no talk about anything but the industry and how to shape it going forward for the better. Tons of people connecting, old friends, new friends, great dinners, and other activities, beautiful weather, great people. Cheers to all who went and and made is a success, the future is BRIGHT!
 
Wasn't this a trade only show? Did you participate?

There were a lot of people set up and selling. One guy had like 4-5 showcases of high end Kevin Garnett cards, wild. PWCC Vault had some big stuff, too many to list, just all crazy high end stuff, impressive. Jeremy if you see this I hope you found the Shaq you were hunting.

Josh Luber is doing some outstanding stuff with Zerocool under Fanatics. Collectable is crushing it with their business model. And there is a whole new wave of up and comers that will help shape the hobby from various fronts.

It really was so much fun, so many wonderful things happening for the hobby, and a lot of good people with great ideas to carry it. Glad this will be an annual event and continue to grow!
 
Cool, I had checked out the website and it came off as trade/industry only. Sounds like a good show.
 
There were a lot of people set up and selling. One guy had like 4-5 showcases of high end Kevin Garnett cards, wild. PWCC Vault had some big stuff, too many to list, just all crazy high end stuff, impressive. Jeremy if you see this I hope you found the Shaq you were hunting.

Josh Luber is doing some outstanding stuff with Zerocool under Fanatics. Collectable is crushing it with their business model. And there is a whole new wave of up and comers that will help shape the hobby from various fronts.

It really was so much fun, so many wonderful things happening for the hobby, and a lot of good people with great ideas to carry it. Glad this will be an annual event and continue to grow!

Could you expand some more on your middle paragraph? I'm not really familiar with stuff like that and would love to learn more, thanks!
 
Could you expand some more on your middle paragraph? I'm not really familiar with stuff like that and would love to learn more, thanks!

Rather than try and pick and choose what I feel is the most pertinent info, I’ll leave these links here for everyone to browse. They spell it out fairly succinctly.


https://zerocool.com/

https://collectable.com/about-us/


There really are some incredible things in the works.

Zerocool has a Jackass set drops in about 10 days, and there is an absolute MONSTER set on the way of one of the most popular current TV shows. The packaging is wild. These folks are attentive to all details. Zerocool is going to crush the market for pop culture and non sports, something I have wanted to see more dedication to since cross branded Fans of the Game sets hit in 2004.

Collectable is a great way to invest and make money without having to work too hard at flipping. Their leadership team are a group of very bright people.

Josh Luber is hiring the best people he can for Fanatics Collectibles division. He just scored a big coup with Jon Wexler of Adidas Yeezy brand development and marketing fame.

You guys who decide to step outside the hockey realm are going to be pretty happy if you do, the hobby sky is the limit in the “other sports” as our fearless Langway mod Brian says!
 
Would love for someone to explain to me how Collectable isn't an offering subject the US federal securities laws...
 
Would love for someone to explain to me how Collectable isn't an offering subject the US federal securities laws...

Which is exactly why it is a dubious investment scheme. I know folks have done well with these fractional investments, but the context is the biggest asset bubble any of us will see in our lifetimes.

FWIW I don't care what anyone does with their money and I have much respect for the folks who took risk to build these models. But my god, buying a fraction of a sportscard has to mean we are at/near peak card. I just can't see long term value here.
 
Jeremy if you see this I hope you found the Shaq you were hunting.

Thansk Barrie. I did find it again but the price was higher than I wanted to be.

Would love for someone to explain to me how Collectable isn't an offering subject the US federal securities laws...

It is. Each of their offerings is regulated by the SEC. Is that what you are asking or are you expecting additional regulation over and above the SEC?
 
Which is exactly why it is a dubious investment scheme. I know folks have done well with these fractional investments, but the context is the biggest asset bubble any of us will see in our lifetimes.

FWIW I don't care what anyone does with their money and I have much respect for the folks who took risk to build these models. But my god, buying a fraction of a sportscard has to mean we are at/near peak card. I just can't see long term value here.

Is it though?

I will preface this with saying I have zero interest in buying a fraction of a sports card. I'm just not going to write off the idea that as an investment, it might be a decent idea.

Is it a whole lot different than buying shares in a company? I can't afford to buy Google.... but if I believe the company will grow in value, I can afford to buy a tiny piece of Google, and expect that the value of my tiny piece will grow.

If you believe that McDavid PSA 10 YGs have a lot of room to grow in value - but don't have the funds to buy one.... buying a piece of one offers the opportunity to cash in on that belief. An Honus Wagner RC is something that's out of the price range of everyone reading this thread (maybe not? Not sure how many multi-millionaires are on HI). If you think it's going to continue to grow in value, buying a piece of one would get you in on that.

If anything, this solidifies cards as an investment. There will be cards locked away in Vaults, that only exist because they're investment pieces for a group of people, rather than an individual.
 
It is. Each of their offerings is regulated by the SEC. Is that what you are asking or are you expecting additional regulation over and above the SEC?
Thanks Jeremy - do you know how they are regulated by the SEC? I just searched here which is where public company docs are filed: https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html.

I don't see any offering materials in Edgar which is where they'd be if there were S1/N1/10K/10Q etc. - do you know what one of the "issuers" is here?

I also didn't see them in the SEC IAPD database or FINRA Brokercheck, at least under anything referencing "Collectable".

Other things I was thinking that could apply don't seem to - i.e., they aren't offering these under Reg D as they have a website, or at least not under 506(b) and not sure they're eligible for 506(c).

They aren't offering them under Reg S or Rule 144A given that you have to be in the US and you're not required to be a QIB to participate.

So I'm not seeing how they are regulated by the SEC. Let me know what I'm missing though. With absolutely no sub-text intended, I'm genuinely curious.
Is it though?

I will preface this with saying I have zero interest in buying a fraction of a sports card. I'm just not going to write off the idea that as an investment, it might be a decent idea.

Is it a whole lot different than buying shares in a company? I can't afford to buy Google.... but if I believe the company will grow in value, I can afford to buy a tiny piece of Google, and expect that the value of my tiny piece will grow.

If you believe that McDavid PSA 10 YGs have a lot of room to grow in value - but don't have the funds to buy one.... buying a piece of one offers the opportunity to cash in on that belief. An Honus Wagner RC is something that's out of the price range of everyone reading this thread (maybe not? Not sure how many multi-millionaires are on HI). If you think it's going to continue to grow in value, buying a piece of one would get you in on that.

If anything, this solidifies cards as an investment. There will be cards locked away in Vaults, that only exist because they're investment pieces for a group of people, rather than an individual.
The big difference here is that if you're publicly traded issuer like Alphabet or Berkshire Hathaway, you're subject to intense scrutiny and regular public reporting and audit (not that there still aren't frauds), but I don't see any place where those rules seem to apply to Collectable so I think that may be where the analogy falls down (if I have my facts right).
 
Thanks Jeremy - do you know how they are regulated by the SEC? I just searched here which is where public company docs are filed: https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html.

I don't see any offering materials in Edgar which is where they'd be if there were S1/N1/10K/10Q etc. - do you know what one of the "issuers" is here?

In their disclaimer I read this:

Each offering of shares in each Series of the Company is defined herein as an “Offering” and is subject to its own private placement memorandum (each, a “Memorandum”) or offering circular (each an “Offering Circular”) as the case may be. These important documents are available via the Collectable Platform in the “Legal” tab for each Offering, or by requesting a copy by e-mailing [email protected], or, in the case of the Offering Circular, publicly via the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission EDGAR service, and should be read by all investors prior to acquiring any membership interests.

Maybe this page will answer most of your questions - https://collectable.com/disclaimer/
 
Putting this back on track a bit, this show was incredible, truly.

I can only speak from personal perspective, but Jeffrey Griffith and I were so immersed in all the hobby happenings there, that there was a 10-15 minute line for FREE pictures and autographs from Emmitt Smith and we, along with many others, didn’t even bother.

The hobby talent and excitement was THAT great! This is going to be the place to be for the hobby going forward as a think tank and place to make the hobby great again!
 
In their disclaimer I read this:

Maybe this page will answer most of your questions - https://collectable.com/disclaimer/
Super helpful junyab - so it looks like they are trying to say that these are all "private" offerings and what you buy / hold in any card is really an indirect interest in a series LLC that you trade through their platform. How that LLC interest is tied to any underlying card isn't totally clear to me. It says that all the docs should be available on the SEC website (Edgar) but I couldn't find them.

Upshot, if I've understood this correctly, is that:

1. These are not regulated by the SEC directly - they are subject to certain SEC rules but the SEC does not appear to be reviewing their offering materials in the way they would for a "public" offering

2. Unlike a public company, there is no periodic reporting filed with the SEC here

3. The mandatory internal controls rules and other disclosure / conduct rules that apply to public companies don't seem to apply

4. You can only resell / trade your interest on their platform - it can't be sold elsewhere -

5. Unclear who the "custodian" is - i.e., who is actually holding the underlying assets like a bank etc. that's bankruptcy-remote from Collectable if Collectable has a problem

6. Unclear if there's any ongoing audit requirements by an independent accountant to confirm that your assets actually exist

7. I expect you're going to be getting 1099s for all your trading - which obviously appears to be something that has cooled some (? or a lot) of the market for sports cards on eBay

8. You have to trade through their system via a broker - meaning every trade will have a commission charged (plus tax etc.)

9. You have to be an "accredited investor" to participate - meaning certain non-trivial income or net worth tests apply.

10. They say this about themselves: "There is substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern."

11. Some things from the "Conflicts of Interest" section:

-"Members of the expert network and the advisory board of the Manager are often dealers and brokers so may be incentivized to sell the Company their own collectibles at potentially inflated market prices."

... really everything in this section is probably worth a read...including that they can incur debt on your behalf for a series that holds cards?

Taking a step back and to going back to the underlying enthusiasm for this as an idea, it does seem like a really cool idea to offer fractional share in high end cards just seems like the market is in early stages with all that comes with it.
 
Strange that you couldn’t find anything on them.

They are under Collectable Sports Assets LLC. All filings are publicly available on Edgar and SEC.Gov, and all offerings have been conducted under Reg A.
 
Strange that you couldn’t find anything on them.

They are under Collectable Sports Assets LLC. All filings are publicly available on Edgar and SEC.Gov, and all offerings have been conducted under Reg A.
Found it! Thanks Jeremy. Here's the Edgar page - https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=1804446 - and here's one of their prospectus versions for the curious: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001804446/000110465921120143/tm2128412-1_1sa.htm

And looks like they are subject to some SEC regulation and some form of audited financials (but that seems to contradict, in part, the disclaimer on their website which says that they aren't subject to ongoing filings and are offering under Reg D).
 
I would invest in the higher end sports cards but not more than 5% of my 'portfolio'. Don't put cash in you can't be ready to lose.
 

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