Trade opinions wanted

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I'm putting this post up in an effort to break a deadlock between me and another member in trying to get a deal done. I am not looking to condemn or vilify this trader - he is an excellent trader, we're just not agreeing on something. I thought maybe this would be a good way to help things along.

Anyways, member in question has in his possession this card:
03-04 Parkhurst Rookie Emblem Autograph Sakic #/10

This is one of the very few cards remaining on my Sakic wantlist.

I have offered the following for the card:
$200 US cash

or

03-04 ITGU Roenick Emblem /9
03-04 BAP Ultimate Roenick Jersey/Auto #/30
$50 US cash

I think both offers are very fair, and in fact constitute more than I've had to give up for cards of comparable print run in a long time. He isn't so sure that either deal is fair to him.

It's clear that we don't agree - it's not hostile or anything, we just can't agree. I would like opinions from the folks here.

PS: If you know who I'm talking about, PLEASE DO NOT IDENTIFY HIM! I do not want this to become biased.

Also, you whom I'm negotiating with - I'm just looking for opinions from others. That's all. I don't think you need to step forward and identify yourself, although you're certainly free to do so if you choose. I'm just trying to help our trade along.

Ok, that's enough rambling. Thanks.
 
Steve - Given only the facts in the above post... I'd have to say that both offers are fair. However, I'd like to know what the other member is offering (as CJ suggested).
 
Based on the offers, I would say that that is more than fair. If the other party is a JR collector, certainly 2 low numbered cards and some cash to buy another card is fair. Even the solely cash offer is quite fair given the proliferation of cards <25 or, for that matter, 10 these days.

If the other party has a differing view, then I would like to see what the counteroffer was and try to reach a compromise.
 
Having not seen any scans of any of the cards, its hard to come to a conclusion.

However, based on normal circumstances, I would say that the first and second trade is already quite in the other party's favor ( I am assuming he is a Roenick Collector). In fact, I might even think that in the second trade , the $50 is in excess.

Julian
 
Steve,
My only question would be concerning the 2 Emblem pieces in question:

Is the Sakic Emblem in some way unique.... 3 or more colors (rather than the normal 2 on most Avs pieces - or is it an International Jersey piece)???

And is the Roenick Emblem a single color (as it seems to be on Flyers - or is it international and multicolored as well)???


To me (without knowing the answers to my questions) bot offers seem to be pretty fair, and it seems to be more of a question of being to let go of a very nice and rare card (a phenomenon that I am very experienced with - LOL).

I think that the fact is - that both players are equal stature in the collecting world - both have legions of fervent collectors that will push their respective player pieces to high limits. This makes the 2nd option - especially to a Roenick collector - very much a fair offer!!!!!


bruce
 
If the other collector is a Roenick collector then the offer is MORE than fair ... getting a card #/9 and a card #/30 for your collection ... PLUS Cash to top it off, for just one card #/10 sounds great to me...

$200 cash ain't too shabby either ;)

Hope everything works out for both of you...

Dave
 
Nothing personal but I have to differ. I would much rather have a sakic auto emblem /10 than either of the cards plus 50. The 200 cash is close but I still think maybe 250 is closer. My opinion could change depending on the appearance of the cards.
 
I would say that the other person is getting the better deal..... I cant see the Sakic selling on ebay for $200, and asuming that the other guy is a Roenick collector he is getting an emblem and an auto jersey and $50 which could buy a pretty nice card aswell. Unless the Sakic emblem has more than 3 clrs and the Roenick is one it is completely fair.
 
The other fellow is indeed a Roenick collector.

The Sakic is 3 colors, but that's not as unusual as some of you seem to think. The Avs logo lends itself very well to 3 color swatches being almost commonplace.

The Roenick Emblem is two colors, but by contradistinction the Flyers logo is very poorly disposed to multicolored swatches.

The other party would prefer a deal that sees another autographed emblem or patch heading his way, specifically citing Ruutu Premier Patch or Parkie Lemieux Emblem/Auto - both of which I consider unrealistic expectations in trade for the Sakic.
 
I think it is a very good deal for the other trader. I had a Lemieux auto emblem (3 colors) that sold for $260. $200 for a Sakic is a good price and the trade seems like an even better deal for the other person. The nice Ruutu premier patch rcs have been going for far more and Lemieuxs are always valued higher than Sakics. Just my 2 cents.
Daniel
 
quincy said:
The other fellow is indeed a Roenick collector.
The other party would prefer a deal that sees another autographed emblem or patch heading his way, specifically citing Ruutu Premier Patch or Parkie Lemieux Emblem/Auto - both of which I consider unrealistic expectations in trade for the Sakic.
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I would not give up another patch card especially a Lemieux. I could see giving up the Lemieux if I was keeping the one of the Roenick and lowering or zero on the cash
 
quincy said:
The other party would prefer a deal that sees another autographed emblem or patch heading his way, specifically citing Ruutu Premier Patch or Parkie Lemieux Emblem/Auto - both of which I consider unrealistic expectations in trade for the Sakic.
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I'll agree with that, havent been watching Lemieux cards but Ruutu Premier Patch's will sell around 350$ on ebay...

-Sami
 
quincy said:
The other fellow is indeed a Roenick collector.

The Sakic is 3 colors, but that's not as unusual as some of you seem to think. The Avs logo lends itself very well to 3 color swatches being almost commonplace.

The Roenick Emblem is two colors, but by contradistinction the Flyers logo is very poorly disposed to multicolored swatches.

The other party would prefer a deal that sees another autographed emblem or patch heading his way, specifically citing Ruutu Premier Patch or Parkie Lemieux Emblem/Auto - both of which I consider unrealistic expectations in trade for the Sakic.
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Steve - Your assessment is sound. The Ruutu Premier Patch would be out of the question. However, I'd consider trading the Lemieux auto emblem if the other collector adds another BV$50-100 coming back in addition to the Sakic auto emblem. Just my $0.02 worth. :)
 
quincy said:
The other fellow is indeed a Roenick collector.

The Sakic is 3 colors, but that's not as unusual as some of you seem to think. The Avs logo lends itself very well to 3 color swatches being almost commonplace.

The Roenick Emblem is two colors, but by contradistinction the Flyers logo is very poorly disposed to multicolored swatches.

The other party would prefer a deal that sees another autographed emblem or patch heading his way, specifically citing Ruutu Premier Patch or Parkie Lemieux Emblem/Auto - both of which I consider unrealistic expectations in trade for the Sakic.
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I agree with you, Steve. The expectations of another auto/patch, especially the Lemieux or Ruutu, is a bit high. If you could find, for example, a Roenick auto/patch, I'd agree with him and that one-for-one trade would be pretty even. However, seeing as he's citing a highly-coveted premier auto/patch rc, and Lemieux auto patch, that's very much in his favor, especially if he doesn't throw more your way. I agree with Jay: if he wants the Lemieux, he should throw in probably another $100 in BV. Hope this helps :)
 
My take based on Canadian SportsCard Collectors method for determining low print run prices:


03-04 Parkhurst Rookie Emblem Autograph Sakic #/10 CSC $390
CSC doesn't actually differeniate between jersey or patch when calculating auto/memorabilia so I added a patch premium. So $200 cash value would be fair IMO.

03-04 ITGU Roenick Emblem /9 CSC $210
03-04 BAP Ultimate Roenick Jersey/Auto #/30 CSC $125(BV$60)
$50 US cash

Seems like a fair deal to me. Using the CSC method of pricing it tips more towards Roenicks plus cash, but using BV is less.
 
A Ruttu would be out of the question, though if it was me with the sakic and i was a roenick collector i'dbe hoping for an auto/patch /10 myself.
 
This is the last response I got from the trader in question:

anonymous trader said:
Ok so here´s my thoughts. I´m thinking I´m giving you a realy nice emblem, threecolored and all.
So I would like one in return. The Kovalchuk is realy nice, I like that. On the other hand the Roenick isn´t realy that nice I don´t think it would sell for $120 on the Bay, my estimate would be $80.

So here´s my proposition and the value the way I think they would be.

Kovalchuk Ultimate Emblem/Auto $100
BAP Ult. Jersey/Autograph Roenick (black swatch) #/30 - $30 (BV$60)
03-04 ITGU Emblem Roenick $80

for

03-04 Parkhurst Rookie Emblem Autograph Sakic #/10 $200
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To say the least, I consider this insulting and greedy. Guess I'm not baggin' this one if that's what he considers a fair deal. Oh well, there's 9 more out there.
 
As we will all agree, a card is worth what the owner thinks. If that is what it is worth to him then it is. That being said there are 9 more out there and I'm sure you'll get one!!!
 

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