UFC 151 Cancelled

I don't think I have ever been so disappointed when it comes to cancelled matches. I look forward to all Hendo fights, and was excited to see this one. Hopefully he gets better soon, and maybe he gets the Machida/Jones winner?
 
They cancelled a Montreal show earlier this year......they need to cut down on the amount of shows per year/month. Too many shows not enough stars to sell those shows. Time to get back to having 2-3 fights on the main card that could be main events. To keep the depth of their roster maybe add another hour to the ppv or prelims and have one ppv a month plus one fox show every 3-6 months. I would actually start ordering them again.
 
Mack said:
They cancelled a Montreal show earlier this year......they need to cut down on the amount of shows per year/month. Too many shows not enough stars to sell those shows. Time to get back to having 2-3 fights on the main card that could be main events. To keep the depth of their roster maybe add another hour to the ppv or prelims and have one ppv a month plus one fox show every 3-6 months. I would actually start ordering them again.
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I agree 100% Marcel; the problem is they can't do that because they owe FOX, FX, and Fuel a certain number of shows every year. And PPV is still where they make most of their money. Even in this pretty down year with I think it's now 13 PPV's with the axe falling on this one they are still averaging around 400-500K PPV buys per event. If they cut that number down to 6-8 they would have to be doing 700-850K buys per event and that may not be realistic to expect on their end even with deeper cards.

They have over 400 fighters on the roster right now. They have said that their ideal number is around 25-30 fighters per division at any one time. That works out to 200-240 fighters. They have a bloated roster because a) they owe a lot of extra fights to FOX and friends, and b) the incessant run of injuries.


The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that these fighters are not training smart. Why is Dan Henderson going all out in a training session with Sokoudujou two weeks out of a fight? Fighters need to dial back on the training a little bit to preserve their actual fight careers.
 
Apparently Lyoto has turned down a Jon Jones title fight at UFC 152 as well. Jon Jones will now fight Vitor Belfort at 152.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3264658/ufc-152-jon-jones-vs-vitor-belfort-machida-mma-news


And apparently after hearing the news Anderson Silva offered to step in and fight on eight days notice against a 205lbs. contender. But at that point it was too late. This seems as though it may have just been posturing to a certain degree on Silva's front.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3264703/ufc-151-anderson-silva-offered-fight-white-mma-news
 
Jon Jones is scared. Letting your manager do your bidding? Wuss.

Not willing to fight a guy who's arguably past his prime, from a weight class lower than yours, who's had no training camp at all?

Sounds scared to me.
 
cards-gotta-go said:
Jon Jones is scared. Letting your manager do your bidding? Wuss.

Not willing to fight a guy who's arguably past his prime, from a weight class lower than yours, who's had no training camp at all?

Sounds scared to me.
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My thoughts on the issue as well. Jon "Chicken Bones" Jones as some people now refer to him as.
 
canucksfreak19 said:
I agree 100% Marcel; the problem is they can't do that because they owe FOX, FX, and Fuel a certain number of shows every year. And PPV is still where they make most of their money. Even in this pretty down year with I think it's now 13 PPV's with the axe falling on this one they are still averaging around 400-500K PPV buys per event. If they cut that number down to 6-8 they would have to be doing 700-850K buys per event and that may not be realistic to expect on their end even with deeper cards.

They have over 400 fighters on the roster right now. They have said that their ideal number is around 25-30 fighters per division at any one time. That works out to 200-240 fighters. They have a bloated roster because a) they owe a lot of extra fights to FOX and friends, and b) the incessant run of injuries.


The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that these fighters are not training smart. Why is Dan Henderson going all out in a training session with Sokoudujou two weeks out of a fight? Fighters need to dial back on the training a little bit to preserve their actual fight careers.
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I am saying one ppv a month. And say one tv event every month or 2.

This was UFC schedule before UFC 151 got cancelled.
September 1, UFC 151 ppv
September 22, UFC 152 ppv
September 29, Struve vs Miocic on Fuel
October 5, Browne vs Bigfoot on FX
October 13, UFC 153 ppv

plus StrikeForce on September 29 on Showtime.

Sorry 4 weekends in a row for UFC not going to watch all 4 probably will not see/order any of them.


I personally think laying all the blame on Jones is bs. I do not blame him for saying no. He had no time to train and study for who ever is the replacement fight at the 8 days mark. I highly doubt most of the people ragging on him would have taken any fight with that time frame as a champion taking on a decent challenger. A soup can would have just pissed the paying customer off as well.

It sucks for the other fights but if they did not have their big name fighters so spread out it would be a non-issue. What would you think of every card having 2 title fights and a decent co main event.
 
Just counted it up and the UFC had 14 ppv's before the cancelled card plus another 16 tv(fuel, fx, fox) and then plus 2 seasons of Ultimate fighter.
 
canucksfreak19 said:
Even in this pretty down year with I think it's now 13 PPV's with the axe falling on this one they are still averaging around 400-500K PPV buys per event.
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That's a really loose use of that number Dave. These are the buyrates to date for this year:

UFC 142: 225K Main Event Weight Class: Featherweight
UFC 143: 400K Main Event Weight Class: Welterweight
UFC 144: 375K Main Event Weight Class: Lightweight
UFC 145: 700K Main Event Weight Class: Light Heavyweight
UFC 146: 500K Main Event Weight Class: Heavyweight
UFC 147: 140K Main Event Weight Class: Light Heavyweight
UFC 148: 1M Main Event Weight Class: Middleweight
UFC 149: 235K Main Event Weight Class: Bantamweight
UFC 150: 190K Main Event Weight Class: Lightweight

Which averages out to 418,000-ish per event on the strength of 148...but look at the low numbers recently. PPV and TV numbers seem to suggest UFC 151 would probably do in the neighborhood of UFC 145, and UFC 152 would unfortunately do in the neighborhood of UFC 142. I don't know what it is that draws people to heavyweight fights and not the smaller weight classes (Anderson Silva and GSP aside,) but I don't think UFC 152 was going to do more than 250,000 buys, if that.

Interesting times, that's for sure.
 
chadsexington said:
That's a really loose use of that number Dave. These are the buyrates to date for this year:

UFC 142: 225K Main Event Weight Class: Featherweight
UFC 143: 400K Main Event Weight Class: Welterweight
UFC 144: 375K Main Event Weight Class: Lightweight
UFC 145: 700K Main Event Weight Class: Light Heavyweight
UFC 146: 500K Main Event Weight Class: Heavyweight
UFC 147: 140K Main Event Weight Class: Light Heavyweight
UFC 148: 1M Main Event Weight Class: Middleweight
UFC 149: 235K Main Event Weight Class: Bantamweight
UFC 150: 190K Main Event Weight Class: Lightweight

Which averages out to 418,000-ish per event on the strength of 148...but look at the low numbers recently. PPV and TV numbers seem to suggest UFC 151 would probably do in the neighborhood of UFC 145, and UFC 152 would unfortunately do in the neighborhood of UFC 142. I don't know what it is that draws people to heavyweight fights and not the smaller weight classes (Anderson Silva and GSP aside,) but I don't think UFC 152 was going to do more than 250,000 buys, if that.

Interesting times, that's for sure.
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Matt all of these PPV's with these low numbers are still making money. The UFC hasn't reached the point where a PPV has a buyrate so low that it does not make some money.

There are now 4 PPV's remaining this year: 152: which is now a pretty solid card. I think it would have been a reach for that card to do 250K buys before the addition of the new Main Event. I think that the card can now do 500-maybe 600K buys. UFC 153 in Brazil which will likely do 200-250K buys. UFC 154 can probably do 600K buys, and then the year end card with the Heavyweight title can easily do 500K and they generally stack the last card of the year and could do a fair bit more than that.

But adding the numbers 500K, 200K, 600K, and 500K to the numbers you provided would work out to a little bit over 428K PPV buys on average.

And whether the year is propped up by one large PPV is irrelevant. The average is what matters and if the UFC were to cut back to 8 PPV's per year they would have to average 695,500K PPV buys and I don't know that they could pull that off even with deeper cards.

And Marcel I agree with you that they should cut some Fuel and FX cards and such. However that will not happen. The UFC owes all of those fights to the FOX networks, they cannot do fewer tv shows now. The only option for them to cut back on programming is to cut the number of PPV's. With the overall numbers what they are it doesn't seem likely that the UFC will do that either.
 
cards-gotta-go said:
Jon Jones is scared. Letting your manager do your bidding? Wuss.

Not willing to fight a guy who's arguably past his prime, from a weight class lower than yours, who's had no training camp at all?

Sounds scared to me.
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Jon Jones said that he would've fought Chael Sonnen on Sept. 22; but that there wasn't anybody that the UFC could have presented that he would've fought on the Sept. 1.

Sounds like someone who's trying to look out for number 1 and do what's best for himself. You may not like that, and that's cool. But scared, that's just funny.
 

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