Weird Shipping Dilemma

[TMCards]

Been selling a lot on eBay lately to try and get rid of the collection, I have shipping to Canada and the USA listed but everyone else overseas to contact regarding shipping costs as I am not familiar with them.

An eBay user from Slovakia with very few feedback bought 2 cards one week without requesting a shipping cost, when I sent the invoice the individual wasn't happy with the shipping cost and would not pay. They proceeded to buy another card without any further inquiry, and again would not pay. These three cards are inexpensive (under $15 CAD total). However, they then proceeded to buy a card with value over $250 and send a message requesting 2 invoices, one for the original 3 cards and one for the expensive card....so I sent the invoices separately with costs for both packages (one untracked and one with tracking).

This morning I get this message on eBay:

I am not sure you understand me. I want just one package. There will be all four cards. But I need two invoices. I need one, which would be as confirmation about buying on ebay. 3 cards + shipping with tracking (include for shipping [EXPENSIVE CARD]). Second invoice just for card [EXPENSIVE CARD].. I need pay separately, because is expensive card. It means,I would pay extra 100€ as taxes on Slovakia for import this card to Slovakia. Now, when they stop my package on customs service, I send them confirmation (first invoice). That is free for tax and expensive card will be just as BONUS. So I will not pay exra taxes. Thank you

Not quite sure where to go from here as I normally don't have to ship overseas, this user doesn't have many feedback and the whole idea that they had sent seems a bit suspect.

 

[SNobles]

I would block them from bidding further as they are trying to at the very least skirt around their counties import fees. That is none of your concern, you need to make sure the package it insured for the proper amount in the event of damage.

I am not saying they are trying to scam you, but clearly they are not looking to use the system properly.

I had a major deal in place for my Patrick Roy mem/au collection to someone in Russia years ago and they asked me to do the same with marking the package with less value etc, I called off the deal because it would have just been too nerve racking for me.

 

[mortuus]

eh 100euro in taxes for a card? that makes no sense but still this is not your problem, i have payed customs on a few cards over the years it seems this seller wants avoid that but its not in your hands really. You must tell him that a card of 250$value u cant mark it as 20$ gift because if something happens u are screwed. The buyer should know better. No seller is responsible for customs and fees in whatever country the buyer is from, that is something no buyer can blaim the seller.

 

[kurri17]

So, they didn't want to pay you your international shipping costs, but they want a break on their end? How kind of them. I would simply send my invoices based on your typical shipping practices, and it is up to them to pay to complete the sales., or choose not to I guess.

 

[penguinfan]

I might do it for trades on here (if feed back is decent)but ebay is another story.....You send untraceable its all on you. Send them your price and let them take it or leave it...if they ding you with a neg report them.

 

[Ohka]

I get what he is trying to do , but I don`t think he would have to pay like 100 Euro even when having to go to the customs office to pick up the card . In Germany , it is 19% of the total value . And I`m pretty sure he would still need to show a bill of how much he really paid for each of the 4 cards . At least that is what I need to do when picking up overseas mail .

 

[JR]

I don't like to ship to Europe and usually talk potential customers into starting a COMC mailbox. I should get a cut of dat sheet.

 

[czech20]

100 Euro sounds a bit much. I help people in the Czech Republic all the time, and they do pay stupid import fees on items. I just sent a game used jersey worth $250 US, and customs charged him $70 US in import fees.

I think this guy is just hoping you will send him an invoice for the first three cards, including the price to ship the four cards in one packet. Then send him an invoice for the separate expensive card without shipping added and he will pay separately and try to hide the real value of all four, primarily the expensive card to avoid customs.

I don't think you need to block him, unless he backs out, but he is just trying to save a buck, much like we al try to do.

Hope this makes sense. lol

 

[Sugar Ray cz]

SNobles your stupid arogant comments and opinions are drive me crazy , You have no idea what You talking about , it seems You know everything best and You take always the simply way how to solve a problem right ?
You didnt notice one thing - people in Czech and Slovakia have 1 / 4 monthly income in comparison with people in north America so you wouldnt belive it but if there is a chance to avoid taxes everybody try to do that . WOW how surprising .
We are paying taxes and fees for everything , and for that we get more fees and taxes , everything what goes outside from EU could be stoped by custom service and You may pay often 50 % of the package value and by the way on the package YOu can wrote anything YOu want but one must always deposit ebay order where the real price for item is and from that they calculete the taxes , one has no chance to avoid that so what do You talking about ?
Yes it was his fault he better ask for shipping price before he bid , I make the same mistakes lately I have won card for 2, 50 and seller ask 15 dollars for shipping in other case I won card for 4,50 seller ask 13 dollars for shipping , someone can shipp single card from US or Canada for 2,50 someone for 6 - 9 which is still very resonable I think , but then someone ask 13 or 15 for single card ....
In card with great value is of course better expensive shipping with tracking I have no problem with that but in the other cases I see no reason to make shipping for the buyer so expesive and make from people outside north America fakers or what .
In Czech or Slovakia is not such a buy power as in north America so people doesnt break boxes so often as YOu did and the main source of their collections is ebay and obviously everybody is trying spend less and less money on shipping , taxes and fees I think it is very understandeble .
Everyone is looking for other ways of shipment , some was trying shipito , comc and so on but I think the best way is communicate directly with people on forums or ebay and have cards directly from them from ebay to their Czech or Slovak adresses I find out this is the bast way for every on of us .
We spend so much time and money on that so SNobles is not that simple as You think and please dont make an fakers and idiots from us thank You very much .

 

[SNobles]

SNobles your stupid arogant comments and opinions are drive me crazy , You have no idea what You talking about , it seems You know everything best and You take always the simply way how to solve a problem right ?
You didnt notice one thing - people in Czech and Slovakia have 1 / 4 monthly income in comparison with people in north America so you wouldnt belive it but if there is a chance to avoid taxes everybody try to do that . WOW how surprising .
We are paying taxes and fees for everything , and for that we get more fees and taxes , everything what goes outside from EU could be stoped by custom service and You may pay often 50 % of the package value and by the way on the package YOu can wrote anything YOu want but one must always deposit ebay order where the real price for item is and from that they calculete the taxes , one has no chance to avoid that so what do You talking about ?
Yes it was his fault he better ask for shipping price before he bid , I make the same mistakes lately I have won card for 2, 50 and seller ask 15 dollars for shipping in other case I won card for 4,50 seller ask 13 dollars for shipping , someone can shipp single card from US or Canada for 2,50 someone for 6 - 9 which is still very resonable I think , but then someone ask 13 or 15 for single card ....
In card with great value is of course better expensive shipping with tracking I have no problem with that but in the other cases I see no reason to make shipping for the buyer so expesive and make from people outside north America fakers or what .
In Czech or Slovakia is not such a buy power as in north America so people doesnt break boxes so often as YOu did and the main source of their collections is ebay and obviously everybody is trying spend less and less money on shipping , taxes and fees I think it is very understandeble .
Everyone is looking for other ways of shipment , some was trying shipito , comc and so on but I think the best way is communicate directly with people on forums or ebay and have cards directly from them from ebay to their Czech or Slovak adresses I find out this is the bast way for every on of us .
We spend so much time and money on that so SNobles is not that simple as You think and please dont make an fakers and idiots from us thank You very much .

Lol I will not comment to much of this personal attack but clearly you do not understand how eBay rules and regulations work. Also the postal services. If you know you will have to pay a major import fee that should be factored into your purchase price plain and simple. Sure we all try to save money where we can but not by breaking the law. That is what the seller is being asked to do.

This seller is uncomfortable with this clearly.

As you can see by my original comment I said the buyer was not trying to scam the seller. The comment to block was intended so the buyer would not keep purchasing more items and compounding the situation.

 

[junyab]

I would send him 1 invoice with everything on it. He can then decide whether or not to pay for it. If he doesn't pay, just cancel the order.

 

[penguinfan]

Tracking to from US to Canada cost close to 15 so I'm sure Europe is pretty high....with a 5.00 card I might risk it without tracking...but not as likely with 50.00

 

[gobuffalo2331]

Tracking to from US to Canada cost close to 15 so I'm sure Europe is pretty high....with a 5.00 card I might risk it without tracking...but not as likely with 50.00

Yea I think the last time I shipped tracked to Europe it cost me $28 if I remember correctly. Very pricey. Not really worth it as the customs # on the paypal shipping labels due the same thing basically.

 

[Hyogbog]

From my experience I would stick by the rules as an Ebay seller. If you declare a lower value and the item is lost you loose and that cry baby walks away after getting his money back. All the non tracked items I've shipped overseas got lost. That's right ALL of them not one made it out of 5. Paypal sided with the buyer every time which cost me dearly.

 

[123ghj]

]Tracking to from US to Canada cost close to 15 so I'm sure Europe is pretty high....with a 5.00 card I might risk it without tracking...but not as likely with 50.00

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You need to use paypal.com/shipnow, shipping with tracking to Canada for 3oz is $2.71 but no tracking to Europe.

 

[winniescards]

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You need to use paypal.com/shipnow, shipping with tracking to Canada for 3oz is $2.71 but no tracking to Europe.

If this is the case,and I have no doubt that it is correct.Why and the world do so many US sellers on eBay set up with the global shipping program that charges anything between $15-$20 to send a long a card.They would sell so much more hockey to us here in Canada if postage was only $3.00 and that is with tracking.
That is just an amazing deal in my opinion.

 

[123ghj]

If this is the case,and I have no doubt that it is correct.Why and the world do so many US sellers on eBay set up with the global shipping program that charges anything between $15-$20 to send a long a card.They would sell so much more hockey to us here in Canada if postage was only $3.00 and that is with tracking.
That is just an amazing deal in my opinion.

On the Global Shipping Program some people are paranoid about shipping and tracking. Or they had a problem shipping outside the US before. They don't know how good tracking is to Canada if the postal workers do their jobs and scan packages when sending First Class through USPS.

Using paypal shipnow you select large envelop because that's what a bubble mailer is right? I've shipped 100 card sets to Canada for under $6.00 before.

 

[Sugar Ray cz]

I still dont understand how can seller break the rules - avoid the law ? He pay only ebay and pay payl fees , nothing else is that right ? He dont pay any taxes for to anyone else - just asking . And it is on him which shipping program he decided to use , dont understand why people are using that custom service with tracking - global shipping or what is that name fo it .
They using it for every card - cards for 5 or 50 dollars , I think their auctions will be always ending in low prices because of that . Yes in some cases is better for seller and buyer shipping with tracking number if we have some card - cards with high value , but I have once won card in Probstain shop - auction ends somewhere about 60 US dollars and for shipping with tracking I have paid 32 US and they put the package like always tho the mail box without any confirmation to the seller - Probstain shop that I get the card - they dont ask for signature or some kind of confirmation . nothing , so If some one wants money back and still keep the card He can do that and You have no proof about the fact that buyer already take the package .
If somebody wants to do that he can with or without tracking number , so I still dont get it , YOu are afraid because of that or of breaking the law as YOu dont put real value of the card on package ? You dont pay any taxes for that It is only your insurance in case if package get lost right ? Just asking .
In last 3 years I have only one card from ebay losted , still not sure if seller send it , and I have many cards in that period of time from CAN and US , somewhere about 200 - 250 packages every one of them with standart shipping nothing was ever stolen or lost and that one with tracking number which I get like standart way .
In two weeks YOu can get shipment from US or Canada for 2,50 no problem . I have many experiences with that .

 

[Rorschach]

One of my good friends lives in and is a citizen of Slovakia. I will ask him how true this is. He usually buys a few things while in the US and brings them home in his luggage but he's been in the US so many times, I'm sure he's mailed stuff home before too.

 

[canucksfreak19]

This one seems easy. Block the buyer so that they can't continue this silliness. It seems quite clear that the buyer is attempting to circumvent their customs system. Regardless, you, as the buyer, have a shipping policy in place where you require tracking on more expensive items, if the buyer doesn't want to abide by that policy, cancel the orders, and block them.