When is a Jagr 1/1 < Jagr Topps auto?

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I find this quite interesting--

-2018 Jagr Leaf 70th Anniversary Orange Auto 1/1 - has gone unsold and relisted for $99.99 a few times already. Seems no one wants this thing.

-99-00 Stadium Club Jagr Lone Star Signatures - sells for $117.50. I can confirm the sale went through because I was the buyer.

To add to the story, Leaf released another 1/1 that is Red and not Orange. Not sure why, but whatever. That said, this fella is never gonna sell at ~$225...
 
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The Leaf 70th Anniversary set is all 1/1's. There are 8 different parallels of each card but each one is numbered 1/1. The reality is this set will have very little appeal. It's too rare for anyone to try to put together a set and the player collectors don't get excited by this type of thing anymore.
 
g-force said:
The Leaf 70th Anniversary set is all 1/1's. There are 8 different parallels of each card but each one is numbered 1/1. The reality is this set will have very little appeal. It's too rare for anyone to try to put together a set and the player collectors don't get excited by this type of thing anymore.
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^^^^^

That sums it up really nicely, IMO.

I have bought more Leaf cards in 2018 than Upper Deck, I'm not a Leaf basher at all..... I think some of their stuff is really nice, others I don't like so much.

One thing Leaf does pretty consistently is they pump out a high number of parallels, that are all low numbered. In the case of this set they're all 1/1s, but lots of cases where it's not all 1/1s.

I can think of of one set right off the top of my head (2017-18 ITGU Dual Autographs). Bill Ranford & Grant Fuhr. I liked the card well enough... but no so much that I had any interest in chasing that various parallels. They were numbered to 9, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 (plus the 4 plates). I looked at pics, and decided I'd get one copy - didn't matter the serial number. 25 cards to pick from.

In all honesty: If they'd done a "regular" version /19, a "gold" /5, and a 1/1: I'd probably have gone after 1 each of the /19 & /5... and grabbed the 1/1 if the price didn't get too crazy.

Saying that: Masked Men (the base from Leaf Masked Men) had 19 different variations (between colour & wave) and I'm up to 14 of them... including 2 of the 4 1/1s.

I dunno. I think the supposed value that's added because of the lower serial numbering isn't really there on most of the cards.... but sometimes it works really nice.

For a lot of the cards, the lack of license does hammer their desirability. Those Jagr's look nice... and I guess $100 doesn't seem crazy IMO (I don't collect him though. What do I know???) but I get why some are turned off.

The ultra low serial numbers do mean that few (if any) will chase these sets, which cuts a potential group of collectors out of chasing them.
 
Honestly, the only hardcore player collectors left are of mid-tier, low-end, common players, NO ONE can hang anymore with the upper echelon players. And even the aforementioned lower-priced players can break a person's budget. Leaf, ITG, and on occasion, UD will cater to those people and put some curve balls (i.e. super high end cards or pairings with megastars) in products.

I mean c'mon, no offense, no one wanted Rob Blake as hardcore as me for the longest time. On occasion hardcore Kings fans and high end collectors would compete with me or nice pieces and drive things bonkers, but for the most part is was just me and a few other guys. The same can be said for a LOT of people and their PCs on this board.

Don't ever be naive and think guys like, a guy like Rob Blake drives products. He doesn't. Ever. But the companies need to throw some of those type players in to help maintain interest and keep "buzz" because collectors like that are intense and dedicated and will sing their praises.

We live in a world of real-time because of social media so crazy player collectors help spread the gospel and pump up these companies tires. And it works and keeps them going.

But I digress, Joe, there is Jagr stuff like that because he is a legend and someone will always want his cards. A novice collector may see that Leaf issue as a holy grail and it will have some appeal, at some price point, to someone. But not you, and that's cool, because you have your own method of collecting and it doesn't fit. But for someone else it may/will. And that's where fringe or new collectors come into play on cards like that. For the record, I also would have chosen the Topps issue over that. ;)

Just my opinions of course.
 
weasel-king said:
I find this quite interesting--

-2018 Jagr Leaf 70th Anniversary Orange Auto 1/1 - has gone unsold and relisted for $99.99 a few times already. Seems no one wants this thing.

-99-00 Stadium Club Jagr Lone Star Signatures - sells for $117.50. I can confirm the sale went through because I was the buyer.

To add to the story, Leaf released another 1/1 that is Red and not Orange. Not sure why, but whatever. That said, this fella is never gonna sell at ~$225...
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I'm still trying to figure out why you spent $117 on that Topps auto lol. Those routinely sell in the $40-$50 range.
 
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LeafGregg said:
Thats the quality observation I was hoping for! :detective:
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Sorry but I'm just stating an obvious fact - the numbers speak for themselves! You don't have to be an actuary or statistician to come to this conclusion. Pull up similar cards, numbering, player etc. and I'd love to be proven otherwise.
 
1/1's in general are way down in value since there's just too many of them these days a lot of people just don't care anymore the companies have ruined the 1/1 thing.

The Topps auto on the other hand I've seen routinely sell over the years for $40-$50, but, Jagr stuff is really heating up and with all the newer products doing so little for a lot of collectors, there's been a big reinvestment in the 90's stuff. That's why I think this card outsold the 1/1. The old school autos are so classic. Old school Jagr auto? classic.
Designs are sharp and good stuff was so hard to pull back in the day.
 
Leaf really overdone the low-numbered parallels. Most of their cards are too low-numbered to try to build the set, and for players collectors, it gets to point of saturation with these so many cards with only the color of the foil changing between the versions. The absence of licence and the strange photography going with it aren't helping too. At least, the vintage memorabilia is awesome and they have done cards of players forgotten by UD.

For the 90s stuff, there's a big nostalgia collector. People who were little kids back in the days now have the money to hunt the cards they wanted. There was some really creative and nicely designed stuff. I pulled a few Topps Stanley Cup Heroes autos back in the days, and they are still among my favorite cards.
 
odjickfan said:
Leaf really overdone the low-numbered parallels. Most of their cards are too low-numbered to try to build the set, and for players collectors, it gets to point of saturation with these so many cards with only the color of the foil changing between the versions. The absence of licence and the strange photography going with it aren't helping too. At least, the vintage memorabilia is awesome and they have done cards of players forgotten by UD.

For the 90s stuff, there's a big nostalgia collector. People who were little kids back in the days now have the money to hunt the cards they wanted. There was some really creative and nicely designed stuff. I pulled a few Topps Stanley Cup Heroes autos back in the days, and they are still among my favorite cards.
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I drooled looking into the jewel cases of cards at shows back in the mid 90's. I'm 31 now so I was pretty young in the mid 90's so couldn't afford much besides the low-mid tier stuff. Usually tried my luck with packs hoping to get back big pull that I couldn't buy. Now it's great to have a career and to be able to buy most of the stuff I dreamed of owning back then. It's really fun
 
penfield said:
Sorry but I'm just stating an obvious fact - the numbers speak for themselves! You don't have to be an actuary or statistician to come to this conclusion. Pull up similar cards, numbering, player etc. and I'd love to be proven otherwise.
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Except that same Topps jagr card has sold for much lower in many cases. To each their own, but it has more to do with other variables. I have seen Leaf Jagr cards sell for shockingly higher prices then i would imagine. I have seen some sell much lower. My point is, one never knows. Timing, rarity, nostalgia....so many variables.
 

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