Who is the best all-around player in the league?

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Who is the best player in the league who is most proficient at all aspects of the game. Who can score, pass, hit, kill penalties, play on the PP, backcheck, block shots, etc. with the best all-around ability in the NHL currently? Years ago it was Forsberg, hands down; I doubt we'll ever see another player of his mold. But right now, for me, it's down to 5 choices:

Pavel Datsyuk (my top pick)
Sidney Crosby (yes, I AM a Flyers fan)
Mike Richards (yes, I AM a Flyers fan)
Duncan Keith
Ryan Kessler

I feel absolutely ashamed for not mentioning the gargantuan infinite glory that is known as Dustin Brown, so let's say for the sake of this argument he does not exist (on this plane of existence). Pavel Datsyuk has about 90 Selke Trophies, hits more than he's given credit for, can score in any situations, has some of the best hands in the game, is fast as all heck, plays in all situations, and can do it in the post-season. Sidney Crosby has come a long way since his teammate called him a crybaby. I will continue to boo him, but I can't doubt the way he's improved every aspect of his game. Mike Richards is the new Bobby Clarke; the man will go through several walls to win. Maybe the best shorthanded threat in the game, hits like a train, gives it everything he has every night (except the first 5 games of this season). Duncan Keith is hard, because unless you're on the Capitals, you kind of expect your defenseman to be in position to start with. But once again, he can do everything, and does it better than any defenseman I can think of (Drew Doughty is close). Ryan Kessler may be one of the 5 most underrated players in the NHL, even given as much credit as he is. He doesn't necessarily do anything better than anyone in the league, but he's definitely a complete player who can hang in with the best of them.

Now, I said in the opening that there will never be another Peter Forsberg. Even in his decline in Philadelphia, he still did things that I thought were impossible to do with the puck. So yes, there will never, EVER be another one of him. However, if things keep goign the way they are, Claude Giroux may be as close as there will be. He has the best hands I've ever seen in a Flyers sweater. He makes passes right on the tape that don't seem possible to make. He hits surprisingly well as is impressively strong on the puck and along the walls. I can't put him on the level of the other players because this is only his 3rd season, but he could be the best one day. But back to the topic, who's your pick?
 
No arguments here, although IMO Pavel should shoot more, I believe he can score @ will sometimes, but chooses to pass.....The scrap with Perry was a pleasant suprise, especially since Pavs held his own and actually looked stronger.
 
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absolutely datsyuk! I think stamkos will be there in a couple of seasons:kid has amazing talent..
 
Datsyuk. And after him, there is a big dropoff. Then I would go with Kesler and Richards as 2, 3.

While I would not necessarily put them in the top 10, the Sedin twins are also way above average two-way, all around players. They don't kill penalties (rarely at least), so they don't have that aspect of the game in the skill set.

I'm still not sold on Crosby defensively. Dustin Brown and Zetterberg would be high on my list too.
 
I'll agree with most Pavel Datsyuk is the best all around in the league. I'd take either Richards or Zetterberg second. Seeing Pavel every game is something special and with or without the puck the guy is dangerous.
 
How is anyone but Datsyuk nominated? That guy even undresses the other team for them! So nice of him to let them leave quicker after the scores on them. Giving goalies like Turco and Vokoun much needed rests. Class act and a winner.
 
Mikko Koivu should be up in the conversation - IMHO if he actually had premium talent surrounding him on his line - he'd be putting up 90-100 points a year. He has more than proven himself defensively - probably somewhat to his own detriment, because he's that good.

The Wild definitely know his value to the team based on the contract that they gave him
 
Koivu is good, can't argue. But as for the best at evrything...I don't think so. Definitely a great leader and super talented player. I just don't rank him up there with Datsyuk, Richards, and Kesler. I think Koivu lacks the ability to just dominate games with scoring, stick-handling, passing, or with hits, and the other 3 can do it any way.
 
The only knock against Datsyuk? All the talent in the world with the all the personality of a drunken sloth. Imagine if Datsyuk had even a quarter of the personality of Ovechkin? The guy would be a marketing machine.

As for Kesler, I must have missed the part where he could dominate a game scoring-wise. I don't deny his heart and skill, but you'll never see Kesler even lead his own team in scoring. His offense is more a byproduct of the team he plays with as opposed to skill. That being said, I agree partially with your assessment that he is still underrated.

My vote would go to Richards, moreso because he has the edge over Datsyuk in one crucial area: leadership.
 
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Koivu is good, can't argue. But as for the best at evrything...I don't think so. Definitely a great leader and super talented player. I just don't rank him up there with Datsyuk, Richards, and Kesler. I think Koivu lacks the ability to just dominate games with scoring, stick-handling, passing, or with hits, and the other 3 can do it any way.

I can see him lacking with the hits and scoring(but this is not his fault as he has no one else to have the other teams key in on). But as far as Stick-handling have you seen his shoot out move? It's just plain sick. He scores at a 80% rate with the forehand to backhand shelf. His passing is right on the money. But I'm bias too as I'm a wild fan and get to see him play all year round
 
Datsyuk would be my guess. I was going to start a "Who is the WORST all-around player in the league?" thread, but didnt know if any of the players mommies frequent the site...
 
How are Mike Richards and Ryan Kesler even in this discussion? I get it that everyone hates Crosby and Ovechkin but unless these guys are 95% in the faceoff circle and don't give up a goal defensively all season it's rediculous to think they are even in the same class.

Richards, Crosby and Ovy all came into the league the same year - since that time you have the following

Mike Richards - 302 pts in 391 games and a +30 plus 30 points in 30 playoff games and a Final appearance
Alexander Ovechkin - 554pts/414 games and +70 - playoffs go 40pts in 28 games - no real team achievement as of yet but two MVP trophies for the guy ain't bad
Sidney Crosby - 534pts in 390 games and +48 - playoffs are 82pts in 62 games with an improbably Cup run and a Cup ring.

To me this is a three horse race - Datsyuk is certainly there as well with these two. If the question is, who's the best all around today - I probably take Datsyuk. If the question is who are you building a franchise around - I'm taking Crosby and that decision takes about a second.
 
Neither Ovy or Crosby kill penalties. The question asked was who is the best all around player. If you don't trust your players in a defensive situation such as the penalty kill, I'd say they aren't necessarily well rounded.

Mind you, in Ovy and Crosby defence, they don't get pk time because they're so dang busy doing what they do really well.

You can have those guys on your list of all round players, that's fine. But my opinion is that they may not be the best all round players in the league.

Cory
 

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