Why doesn't the Mitch Marner Young Gun sell for higher prices?

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He's obviously second fiddle to Austin Matthews in Toronto but we're still talking about a hometown kid in the craziest hockey market who has shown 90+ point upside. Yet his YG's sell for less than half of what Matthews goes for.

I was talking to my Leaf fan friends recently about cards and after I told them what Matthews sells for they assumed Marner was right up there with him. It floored them to hear Marner sells for maybe $70-80 CDN raw and Matthews goes for up to $200. I'm at a loss for words myself as Marner probably should be a $100+ YG at the very least when you look at all the factors.

This Leafs fan is stumped. Anybody have any theories as to why Marner seems to be so cheap?
 
Few factors:

1. He’s a winger. Centers sell for more.
2. No Calder. Matthews has one.
3. Not a first overall pick.
 
Matthews Young Guns is going to see some fluctuation when he gets traded. Totally depends on if he wins a cup with Toronto by then or eventually goes to a franchise like Arizona.
 
''When'' he gets traded.. Are you sure of that? lol

I am extremely positive that Matthews will not spend his career in Toronto. Nothing is guaranteed obviously but every step of the way he has maximized how much he was being paid and how quickly he could hit UFA. The tax savings alone moving from Canada to one of the states without state taxes is pretty extreme. Especially if everything goes as planned and he signs a deal in the neighborhood of 7 years, $15 mill+ per season.
 
I am extremely positive that Matthews will not spend his career in Toronto. Nothing is guaranteed obviously but every step of the way he has maximized how much he was being paid and how quickly he could hit UFA. The tax savings alone moving from Canada to one of the states without state taxes is pretty extreme. Especially if everything goes as planned and he signs a deal in the neighborhood of 7 years, $15 mill+ per season.

I don't think he ever signs a max term deal until he's on the back end of his career. If you ask me he's leveraging his position to take shorter terms and just get raises sooner. The new wave of stars are taking a page from the NBA playbook and nobody wants to be stuck being underpaid on an 8-year deal anymore. Eight years is a loooooong time. There's always injury risk and things like that but these young guys seem fine betting on themselves and their health.

McDavid makes great money right now but in a few years he may wish he signed a 5-year deal too when guys start lapping him in AAV. You could say he's already underpaid even at $12M. Wouldn't mean he wants to leave Edmonton necessarily but he could have maximised his earning potential by taking shorter deals. It's going to be the new way for any young superstar player.
 
I don't think he ever signs a max term deal until he's on the back end of his career. If you ask me he's leveraging his position to take shorter terms and just get raises sooner. The new wave of stars are taking a page from the NBA playbook and nobody wants to be stuck being underpaid on an 8-year deal anymore. Eight years is a loooooong time. There's always injury risk and things like that but these young guys seem fine betting on themselves and their health.

McDavid makes great money right now but in a few years he may wish he signed a 5-year deal too when guys start lapping him in AAV. You could say he's already underpaid even at $12M. Wouldn't mean he wants to leave Edmonton necessarily but he could have maximised his earning potential by taking shorter deals. It's going to be the new way for any young superstar player.

You can absolutely expect McDavid to want to leave Edmonton if the incompetence continues into the future. If Matthews or McDavid have the option to basically pick any team with the space to sign them during their prime, why would they stay with a team that isn't building a winner around them?

Toronto, Edmonton and Buffalo are all on the clock to build teams around their superstars. All three teams have unique problems but are all facing the same issue. Toronto needs defenseman but continues to overpay forwards, Edmonton barely has any cap space or depth to compliment McDavid and Draisaitl and Buffalo is a literal clown show.

None of the three players mentioned are hometown players or have any connection to the cities besides those teams being bad enough to draft them during a certain season.
 
I don't think he ever signs a max term deal until he's on the back end of his career. If you ask me he's leveraging his position to take shorter terms and just get raises sooner. The new wave of stars are taking a page from the NBA playbook and nobody wants to be stuck being underpaid on an 8-year deal anymore. Eight years is a loooooong time. There's always injury risk and things like that but these young guys seem fine betting on themselves and their health.

McDavid makes great money right now but in a few years he may wish he signed a 5-year deal too when guys start lapping him in AAV. You could say he's already underpaid even at $12M. Wouldn't mean he wants to leave Edmonton necessarily but he could have maximised his earning potential by taking shorter deals. It's going to be the new way for any young superstar player.

I think you make really good points here. Matthews (and his agent) changed the contract structure for young players going forward. The league was already paying young superstars big bucks on their 2nd contract... rather than waiting until their 3rd.

It's an age game: Superstar comes into the league at 18, and plays for minimal salary.

At 21, they sign a 3 or 4 year deal that pays them a lot more, but not a crazy deal.

Then at 24 or 25, while still a UFA, they sign a big contract. By the time that deal ends.... they're in their early 30s, and very few will get a second massive deal. Teams have figured out that you don't sign a 32 year old for 7 years.

Teams have gotten smart. The Oilers gave McDavid that 8 year deal. They will probably be the 8 most productive years of his career, and are a relative bargain at 12.5 million. He'll be 29 when the deal is up. He's probably the exception to the rule, and he'll be able to get another 7 or 8 deal at max(ish) money.... but most players at that age will not.

Matthews deal? It's so much better for the player. He gets max(ish) dollars for 5 years instead of 8.... but he'll be 26 when the deal is up, rather than 29. There's a great chance he hasn't even peaked, before his next contract starts. Nobody will hesitate to offer him a 7 or 8 year deal at that age.

Even if the plan is not to leave Toronto.... he'll be able to lock into an 8 year deal at that point, that's most likely worth more per season than his current contract. He's betting on himself: Gives up 3 years of security, but for a likely higher salary in those 3 years.... plus 5 more at whatever his career max likely turns out to be.

At 26, it's still likely that a player can get better. At 29, it's unlikely.


Any of the three guys that were mentioned here (McDavid, Matthews, Eichel): They do have the ability to put their teams into a tight spot. They can demand a trade if they want to. I'd suggest that Toronto has done a decent job of building around Matthews, and I'm cautiously optimistic the Oilers are starting to do things right too. Buffalo is still a mess though - and I do wonder how long before Eichel asks to be moved.


Anyway, back to the original question on Marner......

If you look at any "mid level" players out there (i.e. NOT a top tier guy, but arguably right below it) I think Marner has as good a shot as any player in the league to have his values skyrocket. If the Leafs ever go on a nice playoff run (and they very well could), and Marner is a big part of that (he's very likely to be) cards like his YG will double in value, I think.
 
1. He is popular amongst hockey which counts for .0003% of the collection universe.
2. Hockey is not even on anyones radar including Marner hisself
3. Marner has weak social media presence. This counts big time for card values as well.
4. He has never won a gold glove
5. I don't think he has even had a double double let alone a triple double in his life
6. He wasn't in the bundesliga nor will he qualify for the World Cup.

Don't get me wrong, he is on my favorite team and my favorite sport.
 
1. He is popular amongst hockey which counts for .0003% of the collection universe.
2. Hockey is not even on anyones radar including Marner hisself
3. Marner has weak social media presence. This counts big time for card values as well.
4. He has never won a gold glove
5. I don't think he has even had a double double let alone a triple double in his life
6. He wasn't in the bundesliga nor will he qualify for the World Cup.

Don't get me wrong, he is on my favorite team and my favorite sport.

He hasn't even won the Home Run Derby, either.
 
We'll see which one has the longer and more productive career, let alone in Toronto. One of them seems to have some behaviour issues.
 

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