OK, one more thread and this time Panini redemptions.

[penguinfan]

I always have wondered, ever since auto'd cards have been coming out, what kind of onus is put on a player to get stuff signed and returned? Obviously, some are very good at getting it done, and others obviously couldn't care less. I'm not asking for costs of getting things signed, just wondering how it is that players seem to get away with whatever kind of timeline they feel like, if they return at all. And being too busy is not an acceptable excuse, my work schedule is extreme, as I'm sure are a lot of others here, and I'd still make sure the job got done if I had been paid to do so, as the players have. So, is there actually no avenue of getting them to care whether or not the signing gets done?

I agree even if they spent a couple of hours a week I'd bet they'd get them done fairly quickly.

 

[Khabby]

??????

2010 Panini Certified
Freshman Fabric Signatures
Card #200 ( / 499)

2010 Panini Certified
Certified Champions Signatures
Card #1 ( / 50)
Jonathan Toews

Thanks.

 

[hockeyfan1]

well its obvious that it seems Panini's redemptions are working better to ask for replacements as they seem to be sending huge 1/1 AUTO nba tags, 1/1 auto nfl logos for replacements that shouldve have been packed out, check a couple other message boards

lets get it straight, this company is a JOKE, all these clowns did in the begining was brag about no redemptions, and now all it is redemptions with timeless waits and excuses, dont give me that crap with the players that its some of their fault to, BS, this company is is just a greedy crappy over producing junk product making clowns that are trying to get ever dollar made before they are out of business, and they could careless about us.

How is that BAP/ Dr price has no problem getting all the autos so there arent any redemptions in the set and then releasing the product, but a company much bigger cant, PANINI = A JOKE

And you know why, because you release the product when its complete, thats value and respect to the consumer, companies who are lazy and just care about the dollar and live by the concept of minimal leg work as possible, release product after product thats not even half complete, some even as less than 30%, again PANINI = JOKE

You cant get a player to sign, you go to them, real easy, take a book of stickers, one lowsy employee, a couple of hrs and boom, done, and dont give me this "oh its to costly", right!!!, their average crap is 100$ a box+ for 99cent jersey cards or no name autos from 30 guys who didnt even make teams just to be thrilled to have an autograph card of themselves, just to fill their stupid collation, and if you cant get him to sign, release the product with out him and add him to the next.

This company lives on redemptions, its the best and easiest way to make a major money, think about it, you have an auto card # 50, shiiit we'll make 100 redemptions for the card, and why not, we can get ten extra crap cases out of it, then we will make people wait with, "oh we cant get this, we are waiting on this blah blah" type of excuses, and eventually replace 90% of the customers with crap they dont want or less value, and maybe 10% will get comparable replacements or better in hopes that they post somewhere on a message board " OH PANINIS CUSTOMER SUPPORT IS GREAT I GOT A GREAT REPLACEMENT" trying to look good like care.


How is it that Taylor Hall has minimal live autos on certified, how did they only obtain a few stickers, how is THIS FREAKIN POSSIBLE, this is probably the conversation with him

"Ohhh hey Taylor how are you, here is your 40k, hmmm just sign 20 stickers for now to make it look like we are trying to do our job, its ok, people will buy our product, then we will make them wait two yrs for the redemption, till you start sucking it up or get hurt, so the people buying the redemptions for 3-400$ end up with 60-70$ cards when we finally do redeem them, or if it works out for us, you will have crosby type rookie season and we will keep them for ourselves and distrubute them inhouse, YEAHHHHHH!!!! just like the Kevin Bacon commercial, we will keep our fingers crossed."

Then they go and post some big video and pics with him signing cards that from what I saw were 100% COMPLETE and HARD signed to boot, they didnt have to be taken back to be made, they have him holding one in is hand, and this is weeks ago, but yet not one live one or fulfillment, i am sorry my friends, but even the sticker autos on cards with subsets #100 and less dont TAKE MONTHS to attach, give me the freakin things i will do it for free!!!!!!!

Friends, sell your redemptions and STOP buying thier products because this company is about one step from folding, we know it, they know it, they know we know it, and now that they know we KNOW, lol, the only concern they have is getting every dollar they can before it happens.

Thank god Hockey is so much harder to produce and ruin than the other sports, believe me, look at the crap they are producing and putting out in football and basketball, its a sin, I mean product after crappy product and high end packs with multiple redemptions and I mean no disrepect to the autograph class, but nobodys, I mean NOBODYS

I really think these clowns are getting people off the streets, putting a football/basketball jersey on their backs, and say hey, heres couple hundred bucks sign these cards.

Its over, and these clowns made sure of it, Donruss wasnt even close to this bad, and the licsense holders know this and will pull the plug soon. Dont think for one minute somone isnt monitoring this and other popular message boards with all these complaint post and disasters this company produces.

 

[frankiefives]

well its obvious that it seems Panini's redemptions are working better to ask for replacements as they seem to be sending huge 1/1 AUTO nba tags, 1/1 auto nfl logos for replacements that shouldve have been packed out, check a couple other message boards

lets get it straight, this company is a JOKE, all these clowns did in the begining was brag about no redemptions, and now all it is redemptions with timeless waits and excuses, dont give me that crap with the players that its some of their fault to, BS, this company is is just a greedy crappy over producing junk product making clowns that are trying to get ever dollar made before they are out of business, and they could careless about us.

How is that BAP/ Dr price has no problem getting all the autos so there arent any redemptions in the set and then releasing the product, but a company much bigger cant, PANINI = A JOKE

And you know why, because you release the product when its complete, thats value and respect to the consumer, companies who are lazy and just care about the dollar and live by the concept of minimal leg work as possible, release product after product thats not even half complete, some even as less than 30%, again PANINI = JOKE

You cant get a player to sign, you go to them, real easy, take a book of stickers, one lowsy employee, a couple of hrs and boom, done, and dont give me this "oh its to costly", right!!!, their average crap is 100$ a box+ for 99cent jersey cards or no name autos from 30 guys who didnt even make teams just to be thrilled to have an autograph card of themselves, just to fill their stupid collation, and if you cant get him to sign, release the product with out him and add him to the next.

This company lives on redemptions, its the best and easiest way to make a major money, think about it, you have an auto card # 50, shiiit we'll make 100 redemptions for the card, and why not, we can get ten extra crap cases out of it, then we will make people wait with, "oh we cant get this, we are waiting on this blah blah" type of excuses, and eventually replace 90% of the customers with crap they dont want or less value, and maybe 10% will get comparable replacements or better in hopes that they post somewhere on a message board " OH PANINIS CUSTOMER SUPPORT IS GREAT I GOT A GREAT REPLACEMENT" trying to look good like care.


How is it that Taylor Hall has minimal live autos on certified, so what they do, this is probably the conversation with him

"Ohhh hey Taylor how are you, here is your 40k, hmmm just sign 20 stickers for now to make it look like we are trying to do our job, its ok, people will buy our product, then we will make them wait two yrs for the redemption, till you start sucking it up or get hurt, so the people buying the redemptions for 3-400$ end up with 60-70$ cards when we finally do redeem them, or if it works out for us, you will have crosby type rookie season and we will keep them for ourselves and distrubute them inhouse, YEAHHHHHH!!!! just like the Kevin Bacon commercial, we will keep our fingers crossed."

... you're not a big Panini fan, are you? lol

 

[MMarch]

Now that has to qualify for the end of year awards category of "Post Of The Year With Extraordinary Amount Of Passion And Hatred Towards One Entity."

I think I won that award a few years ago in regards to another card company...........

 

[easton55]

Given how many threads there in existence on hobby messages boards bashing UD, Panini, and Topps regarding redemptions, and how few there are criticizing the players....I would think it's safe to say that very little onus is put on the players by collectors.

How regularly the companies contact the players (likely via their agents) to see how those sticker sheets are coming along...that's one for Clint.

Sorry, I did mean by the companies. They are the ones directly paying the players to sign, so still wondering how it is that so many either are late returning, or don't return at all. It seems impossible to believe there is no recourse for the companies to make them fulfill their paid obligations and on time too. Or is none of this actually stipulated when a player is added to an auto set?

 

[hockeyfan1]

... you're not a big Panini fan, are you? lol

Definitely not, lol

 

[Micheal Doyle]

well its obvious that it seems Panini's redemptions are working better to ask for replacements as they seem to be sending huge 1/1 AUTO nba tags, 1/1 auto nfl logos for replacements that shouldve have been packed out, check a couple other message boards

lets get it straight, this company is a JOKE, all these clowns did in the begining was brag about no redemptions, and now all it is redemptions with timeless waits and excuses, dont give me that crap with the players that its some of their fault to, BS, this company is is just a greedy crappy over producing junk product making clowns that are trying to get ever dollar made before they are out of business, and they could careless about us.

How is that BAP/ Dr price has no problem getting all the autos so there arent any redemptions in the set and then releasing the product, but a company much bigger cant, PANINI = A JOKE

And you know why, because you release the product when its complete, thats value and respect to the consumer, companies who are lazy and just care about the dollar and live by the concept of minimal leg work as possible, release product after product thats not even half complete, some even as less than 30%, again PANINI = JOKE

You cant get a player to sign, you go to them, real easy, take a book of stickers, one lowsy employee, a couple of hrs and boom, done, and dont give me this "oh its to costly", right!!!, their average crap is 100$ a box+ for 99cent jersey cards or no name autos from 30 guys who didnt even make teams just to be thrilled to have an autograph card of themselves, just to fill their stupid collation, and if you cant get him to sign, release the product with out him and add him to the next.

This company lives on redemptions, its the best and easiest way to make a major money, think about it, you have an auto card # 50, shiiit we'll make 100 redemptions for the card, and why not, we can get ten extra crap cases out of it, then we will make people wait with, "oh we cant get this, we are waiting on this blah blah" type of excuses, and eventually replace 90% of the customers with crap they dont want or less value, and maybe 10% will get comparable replacements or better in hopes that they post somewhere on a message board " OH PANINIS CUSTOMER SUPPORT IS GREAT I GOT A GREAT REPLACEMENT" trying to look good like care.


How is it that Taylor Hall has minimal live autos on certified, so what they do, this is probably the conversation with him

"Ohhh hey Taylor how are you, here is your 40k, hmmm just sign 20 stickers for now to make it look like we are trying to do our job, its ok, people will buy our product, then we will make them wait two yrs for the redemption, till you start sucking it up or get hurt, so the people buying the redemptions for 3-400$ end up with 60-70$ cards when we finally do redeem them, or if it works out for us, you will have crosby type rookie season and we will keep them for ourselves and distrubute them inhouse, YEAHHHHHH!!!! just like the Kevin Bacon commercial, we will keep our fingers crossed."

Wow,you just made the things I said kind.

 

[RGM81]

Sorry, I did mean by the companies. They are the ones directly paying the players to sign, so still wondering how it is that so many either are late returning, or don't return at all. It seems impossible to believe there is no recourse for the companies to make them fulfill their paid obligations and on time too. Or is none of this actually stipulated when a player is added to an auto set?

I'd say that it's simply a matter of time management for the players. When you look at a guy like PK Subban, who just got all of his done when the Habs were in Dallas, the demands on his time are pretty incredible. He was quoted in their article that he hasn't had a single free evening this season. Now, maybe he could have done them during that 3-game timeout he had up in the pressbox, but for a rookie phenom that's in demand for personal appearances and all of that, games, travel, etc., sometimes stuff that is really really important to us kinda gets shuffled into the background for them.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

I REALLY don't mean to turn this into a "company vs company thread" but there's a simple question here: If ITG can churn out their products on time (or relatively so) with NO redemptions, why can't UD/Panini without playing the "well we'd have nothing to put in!" card?

 

[Hejdukfan23]

You have to look at the people and size of company. UD and Panini both put out 10-12 sets a year which means Sidney Crosby will be signing for 20-24 products a year and for multiple sets within those 20-24 products. He also plays hockey and goes to practice and has stuff to for marketing the Penguins. If you notice most of the redemptions are coming from star players who I am sure have busy schedules and will also be signing for thoe 20-24 products each year. Now lets look at ITG. They put out maybe 5-7 products a year, mostly with retired players and young stars who have more time on their hands to sign autos and such. I am not saying its an excuse, but if you are signing your name on different cards at least 2000 times a year, I can see why things can get delayed.

I REALLY don't mean to turn this into a "company vs company thread" but there's a simple question here: If ITG can churn out their products on time (or relatively so) with NO redemptions, why can't UD/Panini without playing the "well we'd have nothing to put in!" card?

 

[The Great Zo]

You have to look at the people and size of company. UD and Panini both put out 10-12 sets a year which means Sidney Crosby will be signing for 20-24 products a year and for multiple sets within those 20-24 products. He also plays hockey and goes to practice and has stuff to for marketing the Penguins. If you notice most of the redemptions are coming from star players who I am sure have busy schedules and will also be signing for thoe 20-24 products each year. Now lets look at ITG. They put out maybe 5-7 products a year, mostly with retired players and young stars who have more time on their hands to sign autos and such. I am not saying its an excuse, but if you are signing your name on different cards at least 2000 times a year, I can see why things can get delayed.

Indeed.

It's unfair to compare the licensed companies with the unlicensed company in terms of autograph redemptions. The difference in the scope of what they're doing is huge.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

You have to look at the people and size of company. UD and Panini both put out 10-12 sets a year which means Sidney Crosby will be signing for 20-24 products a year and for multiple sets within those 20-24 products. He also plays hockey and goes to practice and has stuff to for marketing the Penguins. If you notice most of the redemptions are coming from star players who I am sure have busy schedules and will also be signing for thoe 20-24 products each year. Now lets look at ITG. They put out maybe 5-7 products a year, mostly with retired players and young stars who have more time on their hands to sign autos and such. I am not saying its an excuse, but if you are signing your name on different cards at least 2000 times a year, I can see why things can get delayed.

ITG also gets plenty of current NHLer's to sign on time with no issues to speak of. And let's face facts--ITG has never really been a company that does redemptions in the way UD/Panini does. ITG gets it done with notorious no-signers and puts their autos out with NO REDEMPTIONS--again why can't UD/Panini? If the excuse is "more products", it's a stupid excuse. Again--ITG has been doing what they're doing for years and never made excuses.

 

[Hejdukfan23]

ITG also gets plenty of current NHLer's to sign on time with no issues to speak of. And let's face facts--ITG has never really been a company that does redemptions in the way UD/Panini does. ITG gets it done with notorious no-signers and puts their autos out with NO REDEMPTIONS--again why can't UD/Panini? If the excuse is "more products", it's a stupid excuse. Again--ITG has been doing what they're doing for years and never made excuses.

But look at who the players are who have most of the redemptions, Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, and others. They don't sign for ITG and also if I were a player and I saw a stack of 500 cards I have to sign from UD/Panini and I saw a stack of 100 cards from ITG to sign, its ITG first.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

But look at who the players are who have most of the redemptions, Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, and others. They don't sign for ITG and also if I were a player and I saw a stack of 500 cards I have to sign from UD/Panini and I saw a stack of 100 cards from ITG to sign, its ITG first.

Then you take the measures to put it in the deals that you have to sign by X date or you don't get paid. It's plain and simple--players won't sign if they don't get paid, why should they get paid if they can't fulfill their obligation?

 

[The Germinator]

Instead of having a TONS of redemption in EVERY product, why dont UD and Panini make less product???
Do we need 30 products/year ??
I dont think so.

 

[quincy]

That's not entirely up to them, Germinator.

 

[geplimestone]

i think it all comes down to poor planning.....in my opinion ITG gets away with on time releases and no redemptions because A) they plan further ahead and send out auto stickers leaving the athletes much more time to return them and B) because they keep a solid inventory of autos in house....i've never really understood why companies send out a batch of say 500 stickers....to only send out another batch of 500 a month later and continue to work this way thoughout the year.....why don't you just do a massive signing with the player to cover all the stickers that'll be needed thoughout the year and then sent off the hard signed stuff as needed....that alone would cut back on redemptions in huge way....


just my 2 cents if i was in the card making business.....


Geoff

 

[easton55]

You have to look at the people and size of company. UD and Panini both put out 10-12 sets a year which means Sidney Crosby will be signing for 20-24 products a year and for multiple sets within those 20-24 products. He also plays hockey and goes to practice and has stuff to for marketing the Penguins. If you notice most of the redemptions are coming from star players who I am sure have busy schedules and will also be signing for thoe 20-24 products each year. Now lets look at ITG. They put out maybe 5-7 products a year, mostly with retired players and young stars who have more time on their hands to sign autos and such. I am not saying its an excuse, but if you are signing your name on different cards at least 2000 times a year, I can see why things can get delayed.

And again, to me busy is not a valid excuse. They have been paid to do this, so start living up to their end of the deals already. I'm sure they are given deadlines to meet, but it can't be possible that the companies paying them haven't worked in some line to make sure this is done with no penalty. There isn't a business anywhere else that would be allowed to get away with this, so how come here? "I'm sorry, but our glass vendors are pretty busy right now, so here is some clear plastic for now, and we'll get your windshield out to you whenever we receive it" Tell me that situation would be looked at the same way as players being too busy to do what they were paid to do. Wouldn't happen.
So again, I guess I'm asking the companies to weigh in here and tell us if there is any option for them to go after the late and non-signers they deal with. Has to be something to try and fix this already.

 

[mattoboy]

Im waiting on 1 and not return yet... heck I dont even know if its been sent... gonna go check right now...