The first Gretzky St. Louis game-used memorabilia card!!! Can it 100% be proven that it's not?

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Card companies have a tendency of putting a jersey swatch (or stick, glove, etc piece) on cards without stating from what team/year it's from.

Actually, that's more the norm than not.

It's also more the norm that the memorabilia piece shown matches the athlete's jersey/era depicted on the actual card.

What I'm NOT a fan of, though, is when a memorabilia swatch doesn't match what is depicted on the card.

Even though I'm sure most times it's obvious to the average holder of the card what team/era the actual piece is from, it doesn't make the card more appealing, in my opinion.

But sometimes the game-used swatch is so unclear as to where EXACTLY it came from, that it leaves the card holder more annoyed.

But it could ALSO offer some cool potential!

The reason for this thread is to focus on Gretzky, and specifically on one of his cards.

Regarding game-used sticks...when a person or company buys one, I can't believe EVERY stick is marked or advertised with an exact date/game that it was used in. Sometimes just the year is indicated. Or not at all.

On that note, then, if an Easton silver stick was sold as a game-used Gretzky stick used in 1996, how can anyone prove with 100% that it wasn't used by him in a St. Louis game? (photo proof shows he used Easton during his Blues playing days)

The 2014-15 UD Masterpiece St. Louis art card, which has a swatch of an Easton Aluminum stick...who's to say that it cannot be a St. Louis stick (no different than someone can also say it could be from a game in LA or NY)? The back of the card only says that it was used by Gretzky.

Shouldn't the possibility of this being a St. Louis stick on a St. Louis Gretzky card make the card highly desirable?

And can't we - with all things considered - simply take that specific card at face value (i.e. a gu Easton stick on a St.Louis Gretzky card implies that it's a St. Louis gu stick) and treat it as such? Especially since it's the only one to date?

Aside from the idea that Upper Deck would PROBABLY have announced it on the card that it was from a St. Louis stick (since it would be a much-sought after card)...there's also the blatant fact that Upper Deck doesn't always announce where a gu swatch is from.

Or, there's always the possibility that they bought a game-used Gretzky Easton stick from somewhere/someone with the believability that it was authentic...but without the seller being able to confirm what team/year it was from. Hence, it could be from when he played in either St. Louis, LA, or NY.
 

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With how many sticks they use, it's deff possible it's a St. Louis stick. But like you said, if they knew for sure they would probably market it as such . What I'm thinking is they are using that picture for his autos, and have just carried the picture over to that set
 
It is very possible that the stick the Upper Deck used on this card is a Wayne Gretzky St. Louis Blues game-used stick.

I have several game-used sticks in my collection that are dated from Gretzky's short stint in St. Louis.

I am not saying that it is a St. Louis game-used stick but I am saying that it could be because sticks from that time period were available.

Brian Price
 
It is very possible that the stick the Upper Deck used on this card is a Wayne Gretzky St. Louis Blues game-used stick.

I have several game-used sticks in my collection that are dated from Gretzky's short stint in St. Louis.

I am not saying that it is a St. Louis game-used stick but I am saying that it could be because sticks from that time period were available.

Brian Price

Not to kiss @ss here but I wish other companies would have been more clear about game used items the way ITG was. I recently picked up some Scripted Swatches Cup cards and the wording almost makes me question it. It reads "..game worn memorabilia AND an autograph of..." to the point it almost makes me wonder "game used of WHO?". I always felt ITG did a really nice job on the statements on the cards.
 
Not to kiss @ss here but I wish other companies would have been more clear about game used items the way ITG was. I recently picked up some Scripted Swatches Cup cards and the wording almost makes me question it. It reads "..game worn memorabilia AND an autograph of..." to the point it almost makes me wonder "game used of WHO?". I always felt ITG did a really nice job on the statements on the cards.

Agreed, ITG was great with this. It was nice when they stated the year and team jersey it was from. Nice attention to detail here! :)
 
I recently picked up some Scripted Swatches Cup cards and the wording almost makes me question it. It reads "..game worn memorabilia AND an autograph of..." to the point it almost makes me wonder "game used of WHO?". I always felt ITG did a really nice job on the statements on the cards.[/QUOTE]

dude... you are not wrong. i have been wondering that ever since coming back to the hobby. i went through old cards and the progression of the write ups on the back of gu cards and well... yea it now reads that way so they can not be held accountable if it is not (for instance) an Yzerman patch in that card, but in fact a Jurco.
would love for UD to come and correct me but pretty sure thats the way it is now.

Sean.
 
Agreed, ITG was great with this. It was nice when they stated the year and team jersey it was from. Nice attention to detail here! :)

Just checked some of my Tkachuk jersey cards and it was actually more of a Pacific thing. The only cards ITG cards had specific year stated in them were AS Game jersey cards.

- Sauli
 
With how many sticks they use, it's deff possible it's a St. Louis stick. But like you said, if they knew for sure they would probably market it as such . What I'm thinking is they are using that picture for his autos, and have just carried the picture over to that set

They have the same card for autograph, correct...and also with a white jersey swatch. Problem is, the swatch could be from any one of his jerseys.
 
They have the same card for autograph, correct...and also with a white jersey swatch. Problem is, the swatch could be from any one of his jerseys.

If you know the material that the teams used - it can be narrowed down.

ie. Oilers Dynasty - Athletic Knit bullet mesh - on Nike tagged jerseys
LA Kings and St. Louis - used CCM Ultrafil
Rangers - Starter mesh - similar to the satin type material used on the first Avs jerseys
 
If you know the material that the teams used - it can be narrowed down.

ie. Oilers Dynasty - Athletic Knit bullet mesh - on Nike tagged jerseys
LA Kings and St. Louis - used CCM Ultrafil
Rangers - Starter mesh - similar to the satin type material used on the first Avs jerseys

I agree, but I'm not an expert with 'which mesh was with each jersey', unfortunately. Here are the pics of each card with the jersey swatch. Maybe you can offer some help?
 

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I agree, but I'm not an expert with 'which mesh was with each jersey', unfortunately. Here are the pics of each card with the jersey swatch. Maybe you can offer some help?

They're likely from a Kings jersey - it does appear as far as jerseys go, UD has mainly LA pieces left. Oiler ones are pretty much gone, they might still have a Rangers and Canada ones, but any jersey piece seems to be sparse
 

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