2017 - 18 Off-Season Discussion Thread

[canucksfreak19]

Pierre Dorion trying to challenge Bergevin and Chiarelli for worst trader in the NHL. A coup for Wilson to open up more cap space to potentially land Tavares while getting more, and better assets for Hoffman than Ottawa did.

 

[creasecollector]

Hats off to SJS on this one!

 

[echoi69]

Yeah I was about to retort but it looks like others already beat me to the punch.

But in all seriousness, Wilson is the type of GM whose trades you simply have to respect; something I hope Nucks mgmt takes notes on this week.

 

[30ranfordfan]

"On paper" - in terms of immediate ability to turn a hockey game in their favor, you're probably right.

Forgetting the other players (and picks) involved - SJ gets a future 2nd for Boedker, OTT gets Boedker for Hoffman, and FLA gets Hoffman for a 2nd.

Of course that 2nd round pick won't play as will in 2018-19 as the other two guys.

Looking at the whole package though: San Jose upgraded two picks, gained two picks, and cleared 4 million off their cap. I betcha SJ uses that Cap Space to upgrade something else... particularly a run at Tavares.

Boedker will fit in well with Ottawa. If he is on a line with Duchene, that will be awfully fast. I think SJ came out the worst of the three teams.

 

[TanguayFan]

"On paper" - in terms of immediate ability to turn a hockey game in their favor, you're probably right.

Forgetting the other players (and picks) involved - SJ gets a future 2nd for Boedker, OTT gets Boedker for Hoffman, and FLA gets Hoffman for a 2nd.

Of course that 2nd round pick won't play as will in 2018-19 as the other two guys.

Looking at the whole package though: San Jose upgraded two picks, gained two picks, and cleared 4 million off their cap. I betcha SJ uses that Cap Space to upgrade something else... particularly a run at Tavares.

I believe the cap space is fairly important, although I don't think SJ is in the running for Tavares. Carlson maybe?

I am not sold on draft picks as being worthwhile return for a solid NHL'er, unless they are in the high first round, I view draft picks as more of an add on to sweeten a deal, mainly because draft picks are such a crap shoot nowadays.

 

[creasecollector]

I am not sold on draft picks as being worthwhile return for a solid NHL'er, unless they are in the high first round, I view draft picks as more of an add on to sweeten a deal, mainly because draft picks are such a crap shoot nowadays.

True, but the thought behind it is that more draft picks = more of a chance at selecting a diamond in the rough.

Or a team may end up using the picks as assets by flipping those picks down the road.

 

[hockeyguy2006]

I believe the cap space is fairly important, although I don't think SJ is in the running for Tavares. Carlson maybe?

I am not sold on draft picks as being worthwhile return for a solid NHL'er, unless they are in the high first round, I view draft picks as more of an add on to sweeten a deal, mainly because draft picks are such a crap shoot nowadays.

They are for sure in on Tavares. It's been discussed for months at this point. Sharks even took a run at Stamkos.

Boedker was not that effective on the Sharks and thus deemed expendable especially at his salary.

 

[Leafsfan1967]

TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS

Leafs re-sign Carrick, Pickard to contracts
The Canadian Press



TORONTO — The Toronto Maple Leafs signed defenceman and goalie to one-year contracts on Wednesday.

Carrick's deal is worth US$1.3 million, while Pickard's is valued at $800,000.


The 24-year-old Carrick had 12 points (four goals, eight assists) in 47 games with the Maple Leafs this past season.

In 167 career NHL games with the Maple Leafs and Washington Capitals, the Orland Park, Ill., native has registered nine goals and 21 assists.

Carrick was acquired by Toronto in a trade with Washington on Feb. 28, 2016.

He was originally selected in the fifth round (137th overall) of the 2012 NHL draft.

The 26-year-old Pickard made one start for the Leafs this past season, while posting a 21-9-1 record with a 2.31 goals-against average and .918 save percentage with the AHL Calder Cup champion Toronto Marlies.

Acquired in a trade with the Vegas Golden Knights last October, the native of Moncton, N.B., has a career NHL record of 28-44-7 with a 2.78 GAA and .913 save percentage.

He was originally taken by the Colorado Avalanche in the second round (49th overall) of the 2010 NHL draft.

 

[Bossy22]

Trotz to the Isles? Yes please!!!

 

[Leafsfan1967]

The Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes are reportedly finalizing a blockbuster deal which sends Dougie Hamilton, Micheal Ferland and Adam Fox in return for Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm.

 

[NNeves]

The Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes are reportedly finalizing a blockbuster deal which sends Dougie Hamilton, Micheal Ferland and Adam Fox in return for Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm.
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Too bad the Flames had to give up Adam Fox but the writing was on the wall, he wasn't going to sign with the Flames. In 1 year he'll be a UFA and able to sign with any team. I'm betting he goes that route. He was a rare third rounder that panned out.

If you then make the deal Hamilton/Ferland for Hanifin/Lindholm I think it boils down to a hockey trade. Carolina gets a couple of young-ish, skilled players who can definitely help a team but for whatever reason they just weren't bringing it to the table when the Flames needed it. It was just time to turn the page. Flames get a pair of former 1st rounders with upside who their new coach is familiar with.

From a Flames perspective ... Hamilton has everything you want in a top pair d-man. He's just too soft to really fit the role. Ferland has everything you want in a power forward - great hands, can fight, throws the body. He just doesn't know how to use it.

In some ways you could call this the wizard of oz trade. Hamilton, no heart. Ferland needs a brain. And Fox just wants to go home.

The tornado/hurricane reference was a bit of a stretch ...

 

[trekrun]

Too bad the Flames had to give up Adam Fox but the writing was on the wall, he wasn't going to sign with the Flames. In 1 year he'll be a UFA and able to sign with any team. I'm betting he goes that route. He was a rare third rounder that panned out.

If you then make the deal Hamilton/Ferland for Hanifin/Lindholm I think it boils down to a hockey trade. Carolina gets a couple of young-ish, skilled players who can definitely help a team but for whatever reason they just weren't bringing it to the table when the Flames needed it. It was just time to turn the page. Flames get a pair of former 1st rounders with upside who their new coach is familiar with.

From a Flames perspective ... Hamilton has everything you want in a top pair d-man. He's just too soft to really fit the role. Ferland has everything you want in a power forward - great hands, can fight, throws the body. He just doesn't know how to use it.

In some ways you could call this the wizard of oz trade. Hamilton, no heart. Ferland needs a brain. And Fox just wants to go home.

The tornado/hurricane reference was a bit of a stretch ...

it would be interesting to hear Flames' coach Bill Peters assessment of the trade with his former team and how much input he had!

 

[NNeves]

it would be interesting to hear Flames' coach Bill Peters assessment of the trade with his former team and how much input he had!

I think Treliving downplayed it but I'm sure he (Peters) had some input. Maybe not about the specific players but about the general environment in Carolina. The players were both RFA and I believe had turned down recent offers to re-sign with Carolina. Opportunity knocked.

I'm sure the Flames had scouted Lindholm extensively as he was the guy they were expecting to take had the Hurricanes taken Sean Monahan.

 

[canucksfreak19]

From a Flames perspective ... Hamilton has everything you want in a top pair d-man.

You could've stopped there. Another bad trade from Brad Treliving. Don't know how he has skated by with almost zero criticism for the teams lack of success under his watch.

 

[TanguayFan]

You could've stopped there. Another bad trade from Brad Treliving. Don't know how he has skated by with almost zero criticism for the teams lack of success under his watch.

I am guessing that there is more to Hamilton than we are hearing. Young, offensive D-men are a fairly hot commodity, yet two teams have shipped him off after only a couple seasons in each spot. Makes me wonder if there are issues behind the scenes..... bad attitude or party boy perhaps?

 

[geschrocks33]

The Sabres have acquired Conor Sheary & Matt Hunwick from the Penguins for a Conditional 4th Round Pick.

EDIT:

Conditions:

If Sheary scores 20G or 40 pts next year, or Buffalo trades Hunwick before the 2019 draft, pick becomes a 3rd instead of a 4th.

 

[pathshot]

The Sabres have acquired Conor Sheary & Matt Hunwick from the Penguins for a Conditional 4th Round Pick.

EDIT:

Conditions:

If Sheary scores 20G or 40 pts next year, or Buffalo trades Hunwick before the 2019 draft, pick becomes a 3rd instead of a 4th.

What a gift to the Sabres. A guy who is probably good for 20 goals each year and signed for two at $3M, as well as a competent depth forward.

I wonder what the Penguins will do with the space?

 

[canucksfreak19]

I am guessing that there is more to Hamilton than we are hearing. Young, offensive D-men are a fairly hot commodity, yet two teams have shipped him off after only a couple seasons in each spot. Makes me wonder if there are issues behind the scenes..... bad attitude or party boy perhaps?

The rumor and innuendo is that he likes to do his own thing. That he would rather go to a museum (literally) than go out partying. I find some reporters claims that he came to represent the lack of drive on the team seems misplaced as he, and Giordano were possession monsters, among the best in the league. The Flames were not losing because Hamilton didn't want it bad enough, or wasn't tough enough. One of the reasons that they attained the level they did last year was because of he and Giordano's relative dominance.

 

[NNeves]

You could've stopped there. Another bad trade from Brad Treliving. Don't know how he has skated by with almost zero criticism for the teams lack of success under his watch.

Perhaps if you judge it by today. Consider what this may mean two or three years from now...

Lindholm's development has been slower than the rest of his draft class but to me he looks a lot like a young Backlund who took a handful of seasons to finally hit his stride. Not a stretch for Lindholm to be a 20 goal guy who brings more to the table than Ferlund, who was fairly one dimensional. Especially with the direction the league is heading focussing more on speed than size.

Hanifin's first three years in the league parallel Hamilton's first three seasons and is a great skater.

And from the sounds of it, the coach likes these guys because they want to win. I got the impression that Hamilton didn't have that same drive. A bit of a selfish player. Perhaps that's why he's been traded twice by 25.

For the players they gave up ... does Hamilton improve? Or is he now what he's going to be? Ferlund will be a UFA after next season. Adam Fox looks like he has a small list of teams he intends to sign with, likely not Carolina (and not Calgary).

So two years from now it could be a young Hanifin and Lindholm heading towards their best years for Hamilton. Ideally your young core of Jankowski, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Foo, Gillies, Andersson are also entering their peak years at the same time.

I don't love giving up Hamilton but you're not going to get those guys for nothing. I like that Treliving got something for Ferlund and Fox who both could have walked for nothing.

 

[nhlderek]

Bozak to blues
Polak to Stars
Reported JVR to Flyers. Where is toronto going. Hah