Suspicious???

Well this is odd for a couple reasons.

1) I am 99% sure that is his sellers account. I emailed him about his jagr /15 patch a very long time ago

2) He just way overpaid on a 3clr bertuzzi /15 I believe. I am sure he is just trying to set the market if this is the case.

Nice find
 
Meth68 said:
2) He just way overpaid on a 3clr bertuzzi /15 I believe. I am sure he is just trying to set the market if this is the case.
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Umm, if they are both his accounts (and I am just going by what you guys are saying, since I have no idea), that isn't 'setting the market' its shilling. Who cares how much he might have overpaid for the first card, that doesn't make bidding on your own auctions justifiable.
 
I can say for certain that "Hit the Ice Box" and the name related account is a store in Barrie Ontario. The other account is also from Barrie, and may or may not be related to the store as an owner or patron. I do know with certainty that the cards that twck has bought in the past on ebay were at the expo at the Hit the Ice Box booth.

Regardless, it looks very suspicious, given the close (or very close) relationship between the two.

Cory
 
Isnt twck the top guy over at the barrie hockey team? (colts i believe) many people know of him and I am 99% sure these are both of his accounts.


Trish its shilling for sure but its also setting the market, he has every intention to win just about every /15 patch just to turn around and try to resell them. Its hard to sell a bertuzzi you paid $90 for when the next one sold for $15. He will rather just list his own card, bid it up so when people see the ending price they see his fake auction and take that into account. He did the same thing with last years /15's as well as trilogy fit cystals.
 
I was trying to deal with these guys at the expo (what a pain) and I know that there are two guys, not sure if they are partners. They were both working the booth at the expo and I inquired about a Mario patch that I know Twck won on ebay last year, needless to say they wanted STUPID money for the patch as we all know they paid STUPID money for this stuff last year. They collectively own alot of patches from 05-05 UD among other cards (it seemed that one guy owned some and the other guy owned some). I could care less if they or anybody that knows them read this but they are pretty ignorant people and if they are doing that on Ebay as well, that just makes them...................you know!
 
Meth68 said:
Trish its shilling for sure but its also setting the market, he has every intention to win just about every /15 patch just to turn around and try to resell them. Its hard to sell a bertuzzi you paid $90 for when the next one sold for $15. He will rather just list his own card, bid it up so when people see the ending price they see his fake auction and take that into account. He did the same thing with last years /15's as well as trilogy fit cystals.
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Shilling isn't setting the market - its ripping people off. He set the market when he overpaid for these cards earlier. Now, he doesn't want to eat the loss, so he is artificially inflating the price.
 
leafschik1967 said:
Shilling isn't setting the market - its ripping people off. He set the market when he overpaid for these cards earlier. Now, he doesn't want to eat the loss, so he is artificially inflating the price.
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which is in turn is setting the market, thats all that he was saying. When there is such a low print run on the card (/15 in this case) selling/buying it at an inflated price, especially when he does this twice (with the same card, but still) has a huge impact on the value of the cards in peoples minds.
 
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OttSens19 said:
which is in turn is setting the market, thats all that he was saying. When there is such a low print run on the card (/15 in this case) selling/buying it at an inflated price, especially when he does this twice (with the same card, but still) has a huge impact on the value of the cards in peoples minds.
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If I sell a card to myself at an inflated price - that isn't setting market value, that's artificial and indicative of nothing except poor ethics.
 
leafschik1967 said:
If I sell a card to myself at an inflated price - that isn't setting market value, that's artificial and indicative of nothing except poor ethics.
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Hypothetically, if you shill a 1/1 to yourself on ebay, then turn around 2 weeks later and sell it for real, people are probably going to think that what you shilled it for is the correct price that card should go for, so they might bid and think it is a fair price, that is setting the market, it still is unethical, but that doesnt change the fact that its setting the market. This is the same in this case simply with a higher print run.
 
OttSens19 said:
Hypothetically, if you shill a 1/1 to yourself on ebay, then turn around 2 weeks later and sell it for real, people are probably going to think that what you shilled it for is the correct price that card should go for, so they might bid and think it is a fair price, that is setting the market, it still is unethical, but that doesnt change the fact that its setting the market. This is the same in this case simply with a higher print run.
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Here's my main point. If you know what's going on, you would never use a shilled auction to determine market value.

If these are two guys in this together, that's what they are doing, so you shouldn't say this is 'setting the market.' They might appear to be setting the market to someone with no knowledge of the situation, but it is artificial, and unethical.
 
OttSens19 said:
Hypothetically, if you shill a 1/1 to yourself on ebay, then turn around 2 weeks later and sell it for real, people are probably going to think that what you shilled it for is the correct price that card should go for, so they might bid and think it is a fair price, that is setting the market, it still is unethical, but that doesnt change the fact that its setting the market. This is the same in this case simply with a higher print run.
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I have to agree with this. People reference previous sales all the time. If a Bertuzzi fan comes into the season with a predetermined figure they are willing to spend a(round $40 or $50 for arguments sake) for the UD1 patch and then see 2 or 3 sell at the $90+ range they will surely adjust their bidding habits the next time around (of course, this assumes they can afford it). Now they are likely to bid higher regardless whether they believe its worth that. Hence, twck the twit just set the market.

Heck, I've done it countless times with vinny stuff (and regretted it every time lol). Not everyone is smart and has avenues like we do (such as this forum). Some random collector clicks "Completed items" and sees 3 sell at $90+ they automatically have the notion it's worth that. Heck even I didn't know that was his sellers account. Had I not clicked this thread I would have just assumed the Bertuzzi UD1 patches are selling around $90.
 
I've seen (and bid on) most of the 05-06 Upper Deck Bertuzzi patches that have surfaced on Ebay since the product came out, and I can tell ya, if it went for a high price, Twick (or whatever his name is) has won it, or bid it up real high. Fortunately, I won one that he must have missed and I think I paid about $40-$50. Having said that, the one that just sold (#2/15) was one of the nicer ones I have seen so far, and if Twick (****...can't rmember his name) didn't bid it up that high, someone else would have bid it up nearly that high I'm sure. As for the one on Ebay right now, I don't care what anyone says, Twick and the seller are partners of some kind for sure, and this is nothing but 100% shilling. I'll be curious to see how high it goes.
 
Magootz said:
I was trying to deal with these guys at the expo (what a pain) and I know that there are two guys, not sure if they are partners. They were both working the booth at the expo and I inquired about a Mario patch that I know Twck won on ebay last year, needless to say they wanted STUPID money for the patch as we all know they paid STUPID money for this stuff last year. They collectively own alot of patches from 05-05 UD among other cards (it seemed that one guy owned some and the other guy owned some). I could care less if they or anybody that knows them read this but they are pretty ignorant people and if they are doing that on Ebay as well, that just makes them...................you know!
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Re Expo: Same here. I thought to myself that if these guys were going to hang onto their prices, they would wind up having to eat the cards for lack of grocery cash.
 
twck and hittheice are the same "company", just twck has another guy running the hit the ice account. All the cards that hit the icebox has listed that twck ahs bid on are already owned by these two (one of whom works a nice job for the Barrie colts) The idea is to drive up the price so they can make profit on the outrageous prices they bought some of these cards at. They won't see a single bid from me.
 

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