A little to common apparently

[SNobles]

For me, it's awkward when the BIN price is so far above what it should be. I'll see a card listed for $200 BIN with a Best Offer option. Then I'll search the archives for similar sold listings, and find that cards with even better players and patches have sold in the $50 range. But I think to myself, if I offer the guy what I consider to be a "fair" amount of, say, $40, it's going to look like I'm completely low balling the guy if he's listing it at $200. I end up skipping those listings, and watch them stay on eBay for months and months.

As a seller you should do some research before listing if possible. Check out completed listings etc. It is not always foolproof but it usually gives you a good start. There will always be some fluctuation in the selling price but there is usually a good range.

 

[TADontAsk]

The few times I have offered a price far below the BIN listing, I have sent along an explanation and evidence of similar sales. It works if you have a reasonable seller.

As a seller you should do some research before listing if possible. Check out completed listings etc. It is not always foolproof but it usually gives you a good start. There will always be some fluctuation in the selling price but there is usually a good range.

 

[SNobles]

The few times I have offered a price far below the BIN listing, I have sent along an explanation and evidence of similar sales. It works if you have a reasonable seller.

Yup, a lot of times I look at completed listings and set my BIN at 2x the average completed because I find 90% of the offers come in at 50% of the BIN price.

Other times I will set it closer in hopes that it draws someone to hit the BIN.

 

[thestickman1]

I also pulled an Exclusives McDavid and not one person on this forum PM'd me for a price (nor did I offer it for sale, but that hasn't stopped people before and I enjoy getting the PM for a price). With that said...I put it up on the Bay because that was my best place for a fair price, also started the auction at $.99 and pulled in $2850 US! I go numerous PM from buyers on eBay looking to buy the card for $1500 US or lower and in response I told them "good luck bidding on the item hopefully you will get it cheaper". Because the first person who PM'd me low bid me and I told him the last card had sold for $2050 US and he told me that was an anomaly and you will never get that much. You just have to shrug it off and move on...I only bust wax and usually older wax I can get for a great price. I use the proceeds from the cards I don't want to open more. Most times I pull enough to cover the case but it takes a lot of time and effort. That is why I am in this hobby to have fun and meet nice people. I wish the best of luck to all you and just keep enjoying the hobby!

To be fair, you made that card available not long after expo, where many apparently heard/witnessed that at least one copy of the card sold in the neighborhood of $1500 CDN at the show. So it's not terribly surprising that even if someone on here was looking for that card they might balk at twice the reported price with a currency exchange to boot. Also we're talking about four figures for a piece of cardboard, that's not something most members on here do on a regular basis, if at all.

That said, congratulations on the great price on your card. There's lots of good venues to move a card you don't want. There's no real need to be limited to just one tool to do so

 

[dismonkey1]

I would hazard to say that you don't see a large volume of high end transaction on the board is because many of these cards are low #'d or just don't show up at auctions for long periods of times. Therefore, if ebay is the marketplace and you can't find a recent sale to make a market comparison, you are left setting a price that may be too low or conversely, overinflating the price to what you thin it is worth and getting no takers. It is hard to hit the sweet spot with some of these cards, i.e fair to both the seller and the buyer.
For something like the McDavid exclusive where there is market comparisons available, it looks like they have sold from $2100-$2800 US, with the outlier being 4500 for #001/100. Lets say you price it at $2300...you will probably get PMs offering you 2100 or below. IMO, best to just throw it up on Ebay and let it ride.

The mid level cards are a lot easier, because there are usually plenty of similar sales o where both the seller and buyer can adjust their prices/offers to.

 

[Steelers79sbc]

I agree ebay is the place for the big ticket items but you have to agree that loosing out on the fees and as well from paypal you get a little bitter when they take $20 from you sale. That's why I would like to deals here but then I don't get the exposure it's a win/lose situation for sure.

 

[will-411]

To answer the originally question, we are a small group in a large pond, and not everything offered here is going to have a buyer at the top end, let alone even ANY interest. If I had a big level card, I wouldn't hamstring myself only offering it here - I'd look at other options too.

In regards to low ball offers... my philosophy has simply been to say no if I don't think an offer or deal is fair, and if I think we might hit a middle ground, I'll counter offer. I can't afford to personally invest in any drama beyond that - why waste energy on something that frustrates me?

Cory

 

[penguinfan]

The way I look at it as a seller, is I try to price them at ebay low pricing. Sometimes you can't do that for lack of info, so I take a guess at it, or I will just list it at what I paid for it, hoping to break even, which sometimes may end up being higher than actual current values, if it has been a while since you actually bought it.

If stuff doesn't sell, then either there is no interest in that stuff, or it's too high. It's up to the seller to adjust, or in my case I will just keep it, rather than lose a whole bunch on it.

One of the biggest issues for me is a seller from the US who is higher than ebay pricing, plus then the shipping is $8 on a card. I understand what it costs to ship to Canada, but that doesn't mean I'm okay with it. I saw a Dylan Larkin YG for sale on a board yesterday for $30 US, plus $8US shipping. Not that exciting at that price. I can remember not so long ago when the tables were turned, and I use to feel bad for US buyers having to pay way more shipping than we did here. I use to drop my prices a couple, or few bucks to offset things for them, but I've rarely seen that now from any US sellers. I just avoid sales from them now, unless I can buy multiple items to make it worthwhile. I just can't justify paying $18US to add a $10 auto to my collection.

As for lack of highend deals you mentioned in your first post, I don't know why? If I had to speculate, going by my own personal situation, I would have to say there are not a lot of people that can actually afford to buy cards from a $500 pack of cards. I know I can't right now, so I just don't bother with it. That is another reason (of many), that I stopped going to The Expo twice a year. I was sick of almost every dealer trying to sell their highend Cup cards, and didn't have a lot of the stuff I collect in their showcase. Just brand new, shiny high end stuff. It doesn't help matters that most of them want top dollar for their stuff when we can buy it for 20-30% online, for example.

I'm almost always looking to add to my collection, but not at a price that I have to contribute paying for a rippers addiction, or for their table at the show. It also doesn't help that I have hardly no interest at all in the players of today. Sure I collect a few guys, but my money goes to HOF players, who have actually accomplished something in the NHL. Sure Domi, Mcdavid, Eichel, Larkin etc may be very good young players, but to pay top dollar for them now, when they have done zero in the league doesn't appeal to me at all. To each their own, as we say.

I understand on shipping...I just had to adjust my shipping on ebay for the sets I am selling...100 cards sets.....It cost me 11.75to send 1 set to canada and I charged about 2.75 less(I used a small boy instead of a padded envelope but not sure I can offer as much protection with that many cards otherwise)...of course on eBay they take 10% of the shipping fee too. If the going rate is 20.00 I could see eating some of the shipping cost but not all 8.00. It probably make "cents" for both sides if I put several auctions and offer discounts on winning several auctions. If I sold here I'd take into account that I am not paying the 10% ebay fee as well as I am sure if someone says "I didn't receive" they are not taking advantage of ebay policy.

 

[penguinfan]

Couldn't agree more on the shipping. I had a seller tell me his shipping is $6 (for a $1.80 package) because he has employees to pay and they waste their time going to the post office to deliver them lol. I still bought the card because it was the only one I had seen in a long time and wasn't going to miss out on it till next time. Never buying from him again.

Was that a seller in Canada...or a US seller sending in a plain white envelope?

 

[chemicalstylez]

I sent a seller an offer on a rainbow /10 Briere jersey from 02-03 SPGU. It was $50 or BO, I thew $10 because that's what i bought my last 2 for. The seller blocked me! Sometimes low ball offers get you blocked LOL :whatthehell: . Some people get real touchy, just have to move on to the next.

 

[Steelers79sbc]

penguinfan it was a US seller.

chemicalstylez it helps when you supply info on past sales or deals so the seller can understand or see for themselves.

 

[crjeff]

I've got 2 cents also, i dont usually sell my cards i dont mind giving them away ,but i relly dislike people lowballing and flipping my cards. i understand that no pricing is a non starter for some or even most.that being said . i pulled a card that was highly desirable a while ago and posted it with a price only to be hacked down by people on this site , who have lots of posts and even it seems lots of followers/friends here. we all have friends here and im sure we all have people who we dont name but also dont/ wont deal with for our own reasons.But highjacking someones post just to tell them that they are overpriced is wrong ....i think the echo and cricket sound you hear back when you post something that is overpriced is quite evident that there is no interest. adding your opinion is selfserving and doesnt help anyone least of all the person who is trying to sell and some cases offering a card for sale is amore appropriate way of saying it ,when i pull something from a box i bought and offer it for sale it is almost never to make money but to offer it up to someone who may need/want it.Kind of a rant but hey its a hobby and we need to be passionate to spend our money on cardboard and pieces of cloth that strangers have worn in a game.
ok that was 3 cents
your welcome
Jeff

 

[99goals]

ok I will weigh in here.

I am a "flipper" as some of you have mentioned in here. I take a completely different view point when it comes to buying and selling. I do like to know what a seller is thinking as a fair value for a lot before I submit an offer. I find that its the best way to prevent a pissing match in a PM. I already know what I want to pay, and I already know the eBay and show market well enough (after doing it for over 10 years) to get an idea of what x or y is worth.

Sure some deals don't go through but I do try to be honest and show how my margins are being made. There is no sense hiding bec information is so readily available on the interwebs.

Threads that have no prices, no problem. If I see something I like, I will see if I can get it. I can tell you that some of my best deals are with people who have not priced their cards whether its on here, or at shows. If you don't try, you won't know. Why shut a door just because someone doesn't have a price. I have been so million of garage sales, and other events and have noticed the same thing. It presents me with a challenge and an opportunity to see what can be done. I find it fun.. the reward of working a deal is amazing.


For super high end super short print cards, I had a lot of difficulty gauging value. More times that not, I have been shown the reality of pricing of those types of cards when I sell them.

At the end of it all, I try to be honest, respectful and tactful on how I address everyone. Some don't like it, others have been my regulars for years in term of selling me their bulk.

As for getting low ball offers personally, I can't be bothered to get upset over a piece of cardboard. I have seen too many loved ones pass away, seen some real bad **** and have had to deal with a lot of personal grief in my 41 years of life, that I try super hard to make the hobby fun. Apart from my wife and kid, this is one avenue of life that I don't want to make stressful. Its not worth it. If this was a full time job, i don't think i could live with the commodity market angle of it.

Not sure I have helped or hindered with the thread but my 2 cents regardless..

 

[Steelers79sbc]

This has turned out to be quite the thread. All good points being made from both sides.
Keep them coming, thanks for the reading material.

 

[Steelers79sbc]

great the Canadian dollar is sinking like a rock! Well this should help to col off the hockey card market.

What's next lol