Bertuzzi's a Flame! - 1 year contract

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Um, he's not gonna lead in the locker room like Nolan, he's not gonna fight like Nolan, he's not going to kill penalties like Nolan, he's not gonna take faceoff's like Nolan.
And to think Bertuzzi was in any Red Wing plans regardless of Hossa is a joke.

Lead a locker room like Nolan?? When did Nolan lead any team to anything other than playoff losing?? He'll do the same job for Calgary that Nolan did as Nolan obviously didn't lead Calgary to anything more than early playoff exits!
Plus when did you become an expert on what the Wings are doing?? I'll go by what Ken Holland has said publicly in the press that they would "talk with Bert's agent". I would have taken him back in Detroit for a million or less a season and that's more than likely what Ken Holland told him. Bert waited and got more.
When the Wings signed Hossa they were down to about 4-5 million left on the salary cap and Filppula still an RFA. Plus 2-3 other players to sign (Chelios, Howard, Downey, McCarty). They had no cap room to sign a guy like Bert.
Bottom line is you hate Bert! That's fine but don't let it cloud your judgement on the amount he signed for which is going to turn into a better deal than what Nolan got with Minnesota!
 
When have you EVER seen a player openly come out and say someone was a cancer or a bad teammate. Even if they were no one would say anything. So maybe that's why you never heard that "NOT ONCE." But Bertuzzi was KNOWN to pout in Vancouver and at the end the only friend he had was Naslund. So certainly you can say he has been a distraction in the lockerroom in the past.

And obviously don't you think if Detroit really wanted him, he'd be there? Talk is talk, was there any contract offer? And was Hossa signing the real reason they didn't sign Bert?

You are getting like the National Enquirer!! Lol, If the Wings didn't sign Hossa Bert was the next one on the list. Holland looks for inexpensive players to fill out the roster. If he thought Bert wouldn't have fit in with the Wings why would he have even called his agent?!?!?
Again, you are letting your hatred cloud your judgement. Holland tried to re-sign Bert before the Ducks signed him and they would have went after him again if they could have gotten him in the 1 million dollar range. They waited, Hossa came knocking and the rest of the cap room went with him.
 
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It is going to be sssooooooooo interesting to see what my Calgary friends have to say. I spent the better part of 5 years listening to them call Bertuzzi every name in the book, telling me how he was as bad a person as Ted Bundy, etc.

Gonna be very interesting when I go back to Calgary next week to see what they have to say now.
 
First off amen wingnut, everything you've said is bang on point. I found it very funny that the Fan 960 did a special edition of overtime (their post-game call in show) at 6:00 P.M. today because of this one signing. They must have gotten flooded with response this afternoon. I think it's a good deal. The Flames aren't really risking anything, and with Bert there is still always the hope for the team that signs him, and his fans that he does still have that he can turn it around. Here's hoping that happens.
 
Lead a locker room like Nolan?? When did Nolan lead any team to anything other than playoff losing?? He'll do the same job for Calgary that Nolan did as Nolan obviously didn't lead Calgary to anything more than early playoff exits!
Plus when did you become an expert on what the Wings are doing?? I'll go by what Ken Holland has said publicly in the press that they would "talk with Bert's agent". I would have taken him back in Detroit for a million or less a season and that's more than likely what Ken Holland told him. Bert waited and got more.
When the Wings signed Hossa they were down to about 4-5 million left on the salary cap and Filppula still an RFA. Plus 2-3 other players to sign (Chelios, Howard, Downey, McCarty). They had no cap room to sign a guy like Bert.
Bottom line is you hate Bert! That's fine but don't let it cloud your judgement on the amount he signed for which is going to turn into a better deal than what Nolan got with Minnesota!


So according to you the only players that can lead are ones that win the Cup? Because Iginla has alot of playoff losses too so according to you I guess he can't lead a locker room either. And the fact that you're in love with Bert shouldn't cloud your judgement either that he's washed up. :D
 
I think this is a good signing for Calgary. Bertuzzi is a really skilled player who can also play good physical hockey. He will fit into the system that Iron Mike and Sutter have going there.

As for the cancer in the locker room I have heard the complete opposite. Bertuzzi is a team player and history has shown that more then once he stuck his neck out for his teammates.
 
So according to you the only players that can lead are ones that win the Cup? Because Iginla has alot of playoff losses too so according to you I guess he can't lead a locker room either. And the fact that you're in love with Bert shouldn't cloud your judgement either that he's washed up. :D

So now you are gonna compare Nolan to Iginla? Iginla has led his team to a cup final. Didn't win it but he's a fine leader for his team. Nolan has done zippo in the playoff's! Never lead Quebec to anything, never lead the Sharks to anything, never lead the leafs to anything, never lead the Coyote's to anything, never lead the Flames to anything! You were the one saying what a great team leader he is and I'm saying he only lead them to playoff losses!
In his fabulous career that began in 1990 he's lead his team to the playoff's 9 times!! Only making it out of the first round twice!! Then never making it out of the second round!!
Facts are facts, you can throw around the words "team leader"! I'll say Bert can do just as much as Nolan making less!
I don't have man love for Bert I just said it was a decent signing for the price. Third line money for a third line player!!
You need to get over your hatred of the guy more than my supposed "man love" for the guy!!
 
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Nolan has done zippo in the playoff's! Never lead Quebec to anything, never lead the Sharks to anything, never lead the leafs to anything, never lead the Coyote's to anything, never lead the Flames to anything.

But that "Babe Ruth" goal in the All Star Game was brilliant!!!! :D
 
Not surprising to see the very critical and very supportive remarks. I don't think anything has polarized the fans as much as the Bertuzzi-Moore incident. He still elicits very strong reactions from people.

Here's my take on this (let me preface by saying, and many will confirm, that I hated Bertuzzi but love the signing):

1. He plays on one of two lines.

Effectively, my understanding is that the Langkow-Iginla and Cammalleri-Lombardi pairings are set, and they're going to fit Bertuzzi into one of those lines, and a young player (Bourque, Boyd, etc) into the other.

IF you put Bertuzzi with Iginla and Langkow he will score. Point-blank period. Dean McAmmond has 20+ goals and 50+ points on a line with Iggy in the OLD NHL. Betuzzi is certainly a better player than McAmmond (if older at this point), and Iginla is a better player now than he was then. I would suggest that 20 goals and 50 points is more than reasonable to expect.

IF you put Bertuzzi with Cammalleri and Lombardi, he won't score quite as much, but will still be very effective because Cammalleri and Lombardi both stretch defences which will tend to create open space in front of the net. Make no mistake: 80% of Bert's goals will be from within 5 feet. That's OK, there's nothing wrong with that (See Holmstrom's 4 Cup Rings). I still think he'll score 15-20 goals, but will probably get fewer assists.


2. Losing Leadership/PK/Face-Offs vs. Nolan

This is a farce. You've already got the best leader in the game (with all due respect to the assumption that Sakic is retiring) on the team. You've got a guy (Regehr) who was supposedly a positive force in the Team Canada dressing room. You've got Conroy, who has been universally lauded as being a great guy on the team. You've got Phaneuf, who is ALREADY being talked about as being a leader in the room. I don't think that this is a team lacking in leadership or character. Add this to the fact that Bertuzzi has NEVER been talked about poorly in that regard. The only negative I've ever really heard is the media circus re: the incident.

PK. Ummm, Nolan got some minutes, but not as many as you'd think. Conroy, Lombardi, Nystrom were all better PK guys, and they brought in Glenncross who is also a PK guy. This is a team that only uses two pairings for the most part, and tehre are the four guys... You've also got other guys fully capable of PK in Langkow and Primeau and Iginla (though you won't use him on PK).

Face-offs. OK, Langkow is a Centre, Iginla is pretty much a centre, Lombardi and CAmmalleri are centres, Conroy and Primeau are centres, Boyd is a centre. I count 7 in your top 12 forwards... They're not exactly short of guys to take draws.

3. Power Play

Calgary had a better PP than ANA did last year, but what was missing was a screen that combined a big body with hands. Langkow was game, but he's freaking tiny (he is NOT 5'10" as listed). Moss was game, but he's got a set of hands that he borrowed from Shean Donovan. Bertuzzi gives them something that they didn't have. He also makes their second unit better because it means either Langkow or Cammalleri will move down to the #2 unit. Phaneuf and Aucoin both have heavy shots from the point. Regehr has a surprisingly heavy shot, this will be a good PP team.

First unit: Phaneuf/Giordano on point, Iggy half boards, Langkow corner, Bret in front.
Second unit: Aucoin/Regehr on point, Cammalleri half boards, Lombardi corner, Moss? in front.


You know, it's interested. Anaheim HAD to buy Bertuzzi out because of Niedermayer's decision to come back. Vancouver moved him to get Luongo (would any fo you NOT make that trade). Detroit just got out-bid by Anaheim. I don't think Bertuzzi's career movement (potentially excepted in FLA) can be attributed to poor effort, attitude, etc.

If he shows up fit, and wants to play here (which there's no reason why he shouldn't) then I think that for $1.95 MM he's a great deal. He adds a big-body to a small Top-6 forward core (Cammy, Lombo and Lanks are all small), adds some scoring touch in tight (decidedly lacking on this team), and regardless of whether you like him or not he is someone that opposing defences HAVE to account for. With no disrespect to Tanguay or Huselius - you didn't need to know where they were at all times. You do with Bertuzzi, or he'll run you over - that is most definitely worth something.

The beauty is, if he doesn't show up and doesn't play well; you're only saddled with him this season, then he's gone...
 
As much as I dislike the guy, you stick him on a line with Langkow and Iginla, he will produce. Just tell him to drive the net, park his big posterior in front of the goalie, and wait for deflections or rebounds.

He is a serviceable player who can produce on the right line. I think Calgary will actually be a decent fit for him, and with nutso Keenan at the helm who loves letting loose cannons run wild, Bertuzzi may show signs of his younger years where he was a beast that teams hated to deal with.
 
I think this is a good signing for Calgary. Bertuzzi is a really skilled player who can also play good physical hockey. He will fit into the system that Iron Mike and Sutter have going there.

As for the cancer in the locker room I have heard the complete opposite. Bertuzzi is a team player and history has shown that more then once he stuck his neck out for his teammates.

It's funny you should reference "neck" in the same sentence with Bertuzzi. If breaking people's necks makes you a good teammate then I guess you're right. Where'd you hear that anyway? Because as I previously stated he had only one friend in Vancouver and that was Naslund.
 
So now you are gonna compare Nolan to Iginla? Iginla has led his team to a cup final. Didn't win it but he's a fine leader for his team. Nolan has done zippo in the playoff's! Never lead Quebec to anything, never lead the Sharks to anything, never lead the leafs to anything, never lead the Coyote's to anything, never lead the Flames to anything! You were the one saying what a great team leader he is and I'm saying he only lead them to playoff losses!
In his fabulous career that began in 1990 he's lead his team to the playoff's 9 times!! Only making it out of the first round twice!! Then never making it out of the second round!!
Facts are facts, you can throw around the words "team leader"! I'll say Bert can do just as much as Nolan making less!
I don't have man love for Bert I just said it was a decent signing for the price. Third line money for a third line player!!
You need to get over your hatred of the guy more than my supposed "man love" for the guy!!


I not comparing Iginla to Nolan. I'm just going by you're previous statements. You say he's led his teams to playoffs losses well you can name alot of captains that haven't won Stanley Cups and have lost multiple playoff series' so does that make them poor leaders? I believe Nolan will have a better season than Bertuzzi and I predict Bertuzzi will be done with the Flames if not the NHL after this season. I don't hate him, don't like him, but don't hate him. You're the one assuming such.
 
As much as I dislike the guy, you stick him on a line with Langkow and Iginla, he will produce. Just tell him to drive the net, park his big posterior in front of the goalie, and wait for deflections or rebounds.

He is a serviceable player who can produce on the right line. I think Calgary will actually be a decent fit for him, and with nutso Keenan at the helm who loves letting loose cannons run wild, Bertuzzi may show signs of his younger years where he was a beast that teams hated to deal with.

OK, this is weird. Tony, I agree with you AGAIN! I would have loved to have seen him in Ottawa on a line with Spezza and Heatley...
 
It's funny you should reference "neck" in the same sentence with Bertuzzi. If breaking people's necks makes you a good teammate then I guess you're right. Where'd you hear that anyway? Because as I previously stated he had only one friend in Vancouver and that was Naslund.

So now you are also an expert on Bertuzzis' personal relationships with his teammates? You are good. Please, for the sake of everyone here, give up on your misinformed "knowledge" of Bertuzzi. All you do is take anything negative you have ever heard and assume it is a fact. You hate Bertuzzi...fine! We get it. Quit with your verbal diarreah until you you can actually back up some of your "so called facts".

PS - the 2 times Bertuzzi has been suspended in his career has been for sticking up for his teammates. Ironically, both times was against Colorado.
 
So now you are also an expert on Bertuzzis' personal relationships with his teammates? You are good. Please, for the sake of everyone here, give up on your misinformed "knowledge" of Bertuzzi. All you do is take anything negative you have ever heard and assume it is a fact. You hate Bertuzzi...fine! We get it. Quit with your verbal diarreah until you you can actually back up some of your "so called facts".

PS - the 2 times Bertuzzi has been suspended in his career has been for sticking up for his teammates. Ironically, both times was against Colorado.

The doubts come from elsewhere.

"A few years ago, before the Steve Moore incident … Bertuzzi was unquestionably one of the most powerful and exciting players in the NHL, but he was also moody and often as apt to affect his team adversely as he was to help it," Mike Brophy and Ken Campbell wrote in The Hockey News.

Those guys don't know anything either, right?
 
Effectively, my understanding is that the Langkow-Iginla and Cammalleri-Lombardi pairings are set,

The beauty is, if he doesn't show up and doesn't play well; you're only saddled with him this season, then he's gone...

Hey Ryan, you do know by now that there is no such thing as "set" lines here in Calgary don't you?

I completely agree with your "beauty" comment. Compared to some of the contracts being handed out, at least the Flames won't be stuck with a ham n' egger like Umberger/Commodore/Finger/Ryder/Hainsey for 4 years at $4M per year without the ability to trade him away because he sucks and noone wants him and everyone in the hockey world is making fun of the team/GM that signed him.

It seems like Calgary and Ottawa are the only teams that realize that no player with less than 100 NHL games under their belt has proven they are worth $4M a year. Commodore can't even skate backwards. Umberger is unproven, Finger (umm, who?)(but we all know the leafs are a lost cause), Ryder is overrated and Hainsey hasn't lived up to expectations but is paid as if he has. Then there's Dustin Penner.

Bertuzzi is a shrewd, smart signing by the flames. Sutter knows how to work the system. Tampa will lose most of their new players before chemistry kicks in so all their "big" signings will be busts like J. Blake in Toronto. And Avery at $4M a year....come on, $2.5 maybe.
 
The doubts come from elsewhere.

"A few years ago, before the Steve Moore incident … Bertuzzi was unquestionably one of the most powerful and exciting players in the NHL, but he was also moody and often as apt to affect his team adversely as he was to help it," Mike Brophy and Ken Campbell wrote in The Hockey News.

Those guys don't know anything either, right?

And this proves what? That he has only 1 friend or that he is a bad teammate? I'd say before the Moore incident (like it states above), Bertuzzi did just fine. Perhaps he should go back to his "moody" ways to try and regain that competitive edge he had before.

Keep on googling whatever dirt you can dig up on Bertuzzi. Perhaps you will get a job with Star or the National Enquirer. I'm done responding to your feeble attempts trying to make yourself believe you are correct. If it all comes out at the end of the season that Bert was bad in the dressing room, made no friends, and hurt the team badly with his "moodiness", I will publically acknowledge you as the "go to guy" for the inside scoop on all the players. Opinions are one thing, spreading high school gossip is another.

To summarize it all....like most people feel, this was a good signing by Calgary :) It pains me to have him play there, but at least he will get to play with one of the best players in the entire NHL in Jarome Iginla. Bert was looking for team that would be a "good fit" and I think he found it.
 
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