Big Time Shiller?!

[xirxious]

I can understand wanting to cover your investment on some high end cards, but you're still manipulating the system ebay set up. What was the price difference in what you agreed and the BIN?
I traded Kilga the Forsberg letter he has with no problems, but I'm hesitant to bid on some of his cards now.

 

[cards-gotta-go]

I have a perfect rating here, a perfect rating with the username angelgabriel02 and my friend has an almost perfect rating with his username kilga and yet I still get bashed. 34 transactions were made here and all turned out with positive feedback. What is the problem
When people don't like you here, they take such a great fun destroying someone's reputation. Why don't you ask all the members who dealt with me and left feedback may be it would more representative

I wonder if your feedback would be the way it is if everyone knew about these practices before they dealt with you. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't even have 34 fb here.

I don't know you, and I've never dealt with you, but I've seen and read enough to decide for myself going forward. The facts are what they are, and as presented, put you in a VERY unfavorable light. So in my mind, 1 of 2 things is happening:

1. they're doing this without your knowing.
2. you know about it, and are turning a blind eye to it, or encouraging it.

The only question in my mind is: are you so defensive because you're a victim, or defensive because you got caught?

 

[The Fonz]

Just called it as i saw it and its now obvious whats going on

Didnt know this issue was brought up before but it seems you have rubbed a lot of people here the wrong way, WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING!

You cant bump up bids man... doesnt matter how good your FB is

Youve made people have to pay more for items than they really should have. If youre listing auction style, dont bid up your cards!

Theres no point in you replying even because its just obvious what going on... mods can do whatever they find right with this thread

 

[cjkuehn]

Just something to think about on ebay and working trades / sales here
on HI.

Alot of HI does not RIP, and is not concerned on getting as much back
on their investment in a case or multiple cases, so to them, TIME in completing a trade/sale with someone who breaks the case, does not matter.

But, the BEST sales on the bay come to the people who get the items
on there first. Much the reason why I will post everything to the bay
and if someone wants to try a private sale/trade on HI, that is great, but
I will not pull that item off of ebay until paid or trade agreement has been reached, as I have had MANY times, people agree to the sale, wait days to pay, and then
back out, and yes, it is people on HI. If I ended that sale on that persons
word, i've then lost my watchers and time invested + turned off ebay buyers to my auction.

Too many HI'ers only consider their side on the transaction.

c.j.

 

[geerhed19]

Just something to think about on ebay and working trades / sales here
on HI.

...but I will not pull that item off of ebay until paid or trade agreement has been reached, as I have had MANY times, people agree to the sale, wait days to pay, and then
back out, and yes, it is people on HI. If I ended that sale on that persons
word, i've then lost my watchers and time invested + turned off ebay buyers to my auction.

Too many HI'ers only consider their side on the transaction.

c.j.

I hear what you're saying, but I feel the beefs people have with this guy are well rooted.

Particular to my situation-I was informed that one card in our deal was not pulled off eBay after the deal was both agreed to and I had sent the money.

 

[denis_king33]

Hi
I might seem defensive because once again people draw their own conclusion before looking at the whole picture or even getting the facts right. Lately on this forum (ever since those fake patch threads started several month ago) people are pulling the trigger and shooting and then start asking questions. Just tired of the bashing, people can see what they want or look at everything the way they want to look at it. Yes i made mistakes in my beginning here as I would start trades with members while my cards were still up for auction on the bay and forgot to pull some of them while i was negotiating with members here. Once again those were honest mistakes for which I tried to make up for without success. If Geerhed would like to tell the exact tale of the story that would be easier for people to judge.
Anyways once again just tired of the whole drama
My 2 cents worth

I wonder if your feedback would be the way it is if everyone knew about these practices before they dealt with you. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't even have 34 fb here.

I don't know you, and I've never dealt with you, but I've seen and read enough to decide for myself going forward. The facts are what they are, and as presented, put you in a VERY unfavorable light. So in my mind, 1 of 2 things is happening:

1. they're doing this without your knowing.
2. you know about it, and are turning a blind eye to it, or encouraging it.

The only question in my mind is: are you so defensive because you're a victim, or defensive because you got caught?

 

[The Fonz]

Hey denis king33, click on the winning bidder and please explain the 88% and 7 bid retractions

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=200413511068

Saying people are quick to judge without knowing the facts and that youre tired of all the bashing, blah blah blah, doesnt really do much when you dont provide any facts to back up what youre saying

Did you, or a friend of yours, win the Stick Rack card?

If you even think about saying no, then DONT... for your sake

Thank you

 

[pharmd30usp]

Just something to think about on ebay and working trades / sales here
on HI.

Alot of HI does not RIP, and is not concerned on getting as much back
on their investment in a case or multiple cases, so to them, TIME in completing a trade/sale with someone who breaks the case, does not matter.

But, the BEST sales on the bay come to the people who get the items
on there first. Much the reason why I will post everything to the bay
and if someone wants to try a private sale/trade on HI, that is great, but
I will not pull that item off of ebay until paid or trade agreement has been reached, as I have had MANY times, people agree to the sale, wait days to pay, and then
back out, and yes, it is people on HI. If I ended that sale on that persons
word, i've then lost my watchers and time invested + turned off ebay buyers to my auction.

Too many HI'ers only consider their side on the transaction.

c.j.

Actually, I let it go and never said a negative word about this person UNTIL I saw this post and what this ripoff artist is up to..... I paid him several days in advance and he leveraged someone else into hitting his BIN... How is that only taking my side into consideration....? Wake up, man.

 

[pharmd30usp]

Hi
I might seem defensive because once again people draw their own conclusion before looking at the whole picture or even getting the facts right. Lately on this forum (ever since those fake patch threads started several month ago) people are pulling the trigger and shooting and then start asking questions. Just tired of the bashing, people can see what they want or look at everything the way they want to look at it. Yes i made mistakes in my beginning here as I would start trades with members while my cards were still up for auction on the bay and forgot to pull some of them while i was negotiating with members here. Once again those were honest mistakes for which I tried to make up for without success. If Geerhed would like to tell the exact tale of the story that would be easier for people to judge.
Anyways once again just tired of the whole drama
My 2 cents worth

Did your beginning start a couple months ago? Because you pulled the same crap on me in September, was it? And how did you exactly try to make it right, other than not-so-promptly refunding my payment and giving me a boohoo speech about your poor, poor selling friend not being able to afford a negative for selling a card that was already sold....days prior?!!???

The proof is shown and you will be reported to eBay as well as the other sites that I am on. There is no place in the hobby for shill bidding. I apologize that you got caught.

 

[Fury]

Buddy (Denis or Steve or Tom/****/Harry orwhatever the Heck your name is) give it a rest..... Your stories do not add up with the countless evidence against you..... Why don't you do everyone a favor and leave this site..... I completely agree with you Darren, this guy does not deserve the benefit of doubt... Too bad he is dragging other good guys in the hobby down with his shadiness..... :badmood:

 

[geerhed19]

If Geerhed would like to tell the exact tale of the story that would be easier for people to judge.

Seeing as you prompted me, I'd be happy to share.

I sent him a list of cards from a thread he had made asking what he was looking for on each and as a total. He replied, and I sent a revised list back to him with an offer. It went back and forth a couple times, and we agreed on a price. As the seller, I asked him to do up a sale thread. To which he responded, and I quote: "Sorry but I do not know how to open a thread Can you please open it I will accept it." (verbatim from his pm's.) So I posted the thread, and sent him the Paypal. He then cam back saying the card had been sold on eBay, it was a mix up but he didn't want to have kilga (who sold the card on eBay) to have to get a negative. He said he would rather sell the card to me. I told him I can understand the situation, but the story he was telling me he needed to tell the eBay buyer as I paid first. He supposedly attempted to contact the winner to no avail. I also should mention he never responded to the thread as he said he would, in my opinion to cover his butt because there was nothing really binding the deal, other than the fact he had my cash. I should also note the price he got on eBay was more than I had paid for it. I still wanted the other cards, so we began hashing out how to make up the difference. To save another thousand words or so, he was of the opinion that I was asking for way to much in compensation, I was of the opinion that he was offering way to little. By this point, I'll admit I was less than friendly to deal with (I wonder if anyone else can see why.) We both agreed to send it off to Bruce and Quincy to get their take before we took any other action regarding the deal. This turned our to be another lie as he jumped the gun before Steve could really look at it and refunded my money. So, there was nothing I could really do as he didn't respond to the thread as he said he would, so there wasn't a binding deal. I had the money back, but was in no way happy with the situation. Had Bruce and Steve decided the thread should be legit he would not have the perfect feedback record he likes to wave about.

 

[cards-gotta-go]

Hi
I might seem defensive because once again people draw their own conclusion before looking at the whole picture or even getting the facts right. Lately on this forum (ever since those fake patch threads started several month ago) people are pulling the trigger and shooting and then start asking questions. Just tired of the bashing, people can see what they want or look at everything the way they want to look at it. Yes i made mistakes in my beginning here as I would start trades with members while my cards were still up for auction on the bay and forgot to pull some of them while i was negotiating with members here. Once again those were honest mistakes for which I tried to make up for without success. If Geerhed would like to tell the exact tale of the story that would be easier for people to judge.
Anyways once again just tired of the whole drama
My 2 cents worth

Denis,

The fact of the matter is that your dealings, based on the evidence above, on their BEST day, are questionable. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck: I can read the posts, check the links, and decide for myself.

The part that really confuses me is that you haven't really denied ANYTHING with respect to the auction information above. And now MORE proof comes to the surface.

This kind of crap and dishonesty is pushing me towards the door of this hobby, and after THIRTY years of this. It's a shame that dirtbags like you have done this to what used to be an enjoyable pastime.

 

[PenaltyMan]

*makes pointless humorous observation to little fanfare*
*20 minutes of terrible Greek tragedy music*
~ el fin ~
Brought to you by the Independent Film Channel.

 

[pharmd30usp]

Seeing as you prompted me, I'd be happy to share.

I sent him a list of cards from a thread he had made asking what he was looking for on each and as a total. He replied, and I sent a revised list back to him with an offer. It went back and forth a couple times, and we agreed on a price. As the seller, I asked him to do up a sale thread. To which he responded, and I quote: "Sorry but I do not know how to open a thread Can you please open it I will accept it." (verbatim from his pm's.) So I posted the thread, and sent him the Paypal. He then cam back saying the card had been sold on eBay, it was a mix up but he didn't want to have kilga (who sold the card on eBay) to have to get a negative. He said he would rather sell the card to me. I told him I can understand the situation, but the story he was telling me he needed to tell the eBay buyer as I paid first. He supposedly attempted to contact the winner to no avail. I also should mention he never responded to the thread as he said he would, in my opinion to cover his butt because there was nothing really binding the deal, other than the fact he had my cash. I should also note the price he got on eBay was more than I had paid for it. I still wanted the other cards, so we began hashing out how to make up the difference. To save another thousand words or so, he was of the opinion that I was asking for way to much in compensation, I was of the opinion that he was offering way to little. By this point, I'll admit I was less than friendly to deal with (I wonder if anyone else can see why.) We both agreed to send it off to Bruce and Quincy to get their take before we took any other action regarding the deal. This turned our to be another lie as he jumped the gun before Steve could really look at it and refunded my money. So, there was nothing I could really do as he didn't respond to the thread as he said he would, so there wasn't a binding deal. I had the money back, but was in no way happy with the situation. Had Bruce and Steve decided the thread should be legit he would not have the perfect feedback record he likes to wave about.

The majority of that sounds vaguely familiar, I asked him to do a thread here and got the same excuses...followed by the same excuses about my purchase and I did not even bother with a supposed compensation after the fact. The funny part? The binder in the agreement is always the money....thread does not matter in legality....and would not mean anything either. Business Law taught me that one. Ain't I edumacated!!?

Good to know who this gent is and I welcome him to the ignore list. I apologize for getting too involved in the banter, fellas.

 

[SkyFire47]

alright, all bashing aside for the moment i'm just giving my point of view from the outside reading this thread. i do not doubt the feelings people have for denis but from my side, i have dealt with denis twice and both were flawless transactions; the second was a trade.

this sounds more like a situation in which the store owner agrees to a deal online but the card is also sold in store. there's nothing he can do about it and it's accepted that it happens. denis uses 2 other people to sell and also wheels and deals himself. that sounds like a lot of room for miscommunication and understandably so. the simple fact of the matter is, and this part is from reading everyone's posts here, HE HAS NOT RIPPED ANYONE OFF through trading here.

1. he is here, replying to PMs, talking to people and replying to threads
2. as denis mentioned above, sometimes a cards gets sold before a deal on HI can be completed

--should users here be aggravated that a deal could not be concluded? -absolutely
--have users here been ripped off? -no
--have users here been refunded when the deal couldn't work out? -yes

what i'm surprised about is the sudden lack of common sense on HI. please note i am not bashing anyone in particular but what gets me is that from what i'm reading in this thread:

--you guys see the item on ebay and didn't wait for it to be pulled before sending your end of the deal
--you paid for the deal but also haven't set up a transaction thread yet
--in essence, deals aren't being finalized. it doesn't work out and you guys are upset.

denis has had positive transactions here and hasn't ripped anyone off. i don't see why he can't trade with a Must send first.



as for the OP's point, the ebay bidding activity is a completely different topic. there are users in question but:

1. the winning bidder for the stick rack who's history of bidding is what should be in question. 155 bids, 88% with one seller?

2. the other bidder the OP mentioned, the 9***3 (with 6973 feedback) also seems sketchy as he has 26% bid activity with the seller but he is also bidding on items from over 20 different sellers at the same time so it's possible he's just a high end guy.

3. the other bidder Denis mentioned, the 7***e (with 13021 feedback) seems to have bidded on thousands of items from various sellers. i'm not so sure it's surprising that he bidded on both items. a high end buyer usually buys alot for a high end seller. at least that semi makes sense to me.

 

[cards-gotta-go]

Skyfire,

I respect your viewpoint, but my assessment of things is that he IS ripping people off on eBay. What's to say he won't try it here at some point, if he hasn't already? And if you go through the Banned Members list, you will see examples of people who were turfed from here for "bad eBay, HI & Beckett trading/selling practices"... things like "we don't permit sellers on HI who we feel are dishonest".

I'm not advocating someone's banning, but it seems the standards have changed somewhat.

 

[meatmancgy]

as for the OP's point, the ebay bidding activity is a completely different topic. there are users in question but:

1. the winning bidder for the stick rack who's history of bidding is what should be in question. 155 bids, 88% with one seller?

2. the other bidder the OP mentioned, the 9***3 (with 6973 feedback) also seems sketchy as he has 26% bid activity with the seller but he is also bidding on items from over 20 different sellers at the same time so it's possible he's just a high end guy.

3. the other bidder Denis mentioned, the 7***e (with 13021 feedback) seems to have bidded on thousands of items from various sellers. i'm not so sure it's surprising that he bidded on both items. a high end buyer usually buys alot for a high end seller. at least that semi makes sense to me.

Arthur's post is important, but Darren's is critical.

Denis states emphatically who his eBay IDs are and those who sell for him here: http://www.hobbyinsider.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1292884&postcount=31

Why, then, is he bidding on his OWN cards? See here: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...lie-30-33&&rows=50&completed=1&sort=3&guest=1

The ebay auctions that were listed are hard to follow... but that link is not. 26 auctions bid on by Denis' main account, 25 of which are kilga's and 1 is roy.brodeur.store, Denis' other account.

Denis, this is clear evidence of shilling. While you, Steve, Stephane, have had reasonably good dealings on HI, how can anyone trust you now?

Bruce

 

[The Fonz]

as for the OP's point, the ebay bidding activity is a completely different topic. there are users in question but:

1. the winning bidder for the stick rack who's history of bidding is what should be in question. 155 bids, 88% with one seller?

2. the other bidder the OP mentioned, the 9***3 (with 6973 feedback) also seems sketchy as he has 26% bid activity with the seller but he is also bidding on items from over 20 different sellers at the same time so it's possible he's just a high end guy.

3. the other bidder Denis mentioned, the 7***e (with 13021 feedback) seems to have bidded on thousands of items from various sellers. i'm not so sure it's surprising that he bidded on both items. a high end buyer usually buys alot for a high end seller. at least that semi makes sense to me.

Ill only comment on what i posted because i had no prior knowledge of denis king33 and his dealings here.

If you look at Darrens first post, everything will be clear.
The winner of the Stick Rack is Denis. Denis and his friends bid up their cards. Thats why he has 88% bid activity with them, 7 bid retractions, and has all their won items from them

And AGAIN, for the Boom Boom auction i ONLY mentioned the 2nd hihest bidder (50$) guys.
Nowhere have i once mentioned any other bidder... so #3 is irrelevant. The issue is with 88% and 26%

Thanks

 

[SkyFire47]

Skyfire,

I respect your viewpoint, but my assessment of things is that he IS ripping people off on eBay. What's to say he won't try it here at some point, if he hasn't already? And if you go through the Banned Members list, you will see examples of people who were turfed from here for "bad eBay, HI & Beckett trading/selling practices"... things like "we don't permit sellers on HI who we feel are dishonest".

I'm not advocating someone's banning, but it seems the standards have changed somewhat.

the problem is we don't know if it is denis directly controlling this on ebay. he mentioned he has 2 people that work with him (for him?) it might be a case of someone acting as a listing agent and trying to inflate the final values as he might be getting a percentage of the sale.

from everything i've read and know of Denis, all of the cards are his yet he is not the one doing all of the selling. considering there are ALOT of high end cards; it certainly doesn't look like he needs to shill $50 auctions. denis may have other issues he might need to take up with someone, especially if his reputation is on the line.

i may be wrong entirely but i'm not ready to cross that fine line of accusing someone when other possibilities may exist. at this point, the statements and arguments have already been made, the auctions and bidding activity are there for all to see, the ball is in Denis' court now and we should wait to see how he responds rather than continually bashing him (which isn't solving anything).


EDIT - some more posts since i wrote this one. didn't realize denis was in the mix on the bidding. if that is the case, please disregard the above comments.

 

[jaywings19]

Arthur's post is important, but Darren's is critical.

Denis states emphatically who his eBay IDs are and those who sell for him here: http://www.hobbyinsider.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1292884&postcount=31

Why, then, is he bidding on his OWN cards? See here: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...lie-30-33&&rows=50&completed=1&sort=3&guest=1

The ebay auctions that were listed are hard to follow... but that link is not. 26 auctions bid on by Denis' main account, 25 of which are kilga's and 1 is roy.brodeur.store, Denis' other account.

Denis, this is clear evidence of shilling. While you, Steve, Stephane, have had reasonably good dealings on HI, how can anyone trust you now?

Bruce

He even leaves his own store positive feedback: LINK

I had a rather shady dealing with Denis via eBay about a year ago. Actually, it's the reverse of what's happening to the HI members. I won a highend auction from him on eBay, but the item was never sent. After weeks of trying to get a response from him via eBay/e-mail, I gave up and simply filed a Paypal claim to get a refund. Only after the claim was filed, I was finally told via e-mail the card was sold to someone else "offline." Yet I had to still wait for Paypal to rule in my favor instead of the seller refunding me voluntarily after admitting he sold the card to someone else offline.