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So last night, during the Sabres-Leafs game, a Sabres played (forget who) is skating through center ice with his head down. Phaneuf came over and hit him, making some contact with the body and some with the head. He stood him up, which is what he's supposed to do. There was no injury, and he didn't seem to target the head. Paneuf was given 2 minutes.

Now I'm no Leafs fan, but that is a total crap call. So, what was Phaneuf supposed to do? If he doesn't step up, the player will keep going. Phaneuf is not the fastest player ever, so part of his game is to be physical. However, if he attempts to check the player at all, he's bound to hit his head due to the player's body positioning.

So Phaneuf either had to get 2 minutes (really, he didn't even hit him that hard) or get screamed at by the coach for letting his man go by. What should a player like him do with the new rules?
 
I agree with you man, I don't like checks from behind and players who used their elbow to hit the head. But in the center of the ice you have to keep your head up, it's a simple rule of thumb.
 
Are you talking about the hit along the boards where he stepped up in the offensive zone? If so, he did make some contact with the head, and the refs have been ordered to error on the side of protecting the player if there is head contact. What should the refs do in that case if they see head contact?

Did Phaneuf mean to contact the head? Probably not, but there was contact there so the refs really have no choice given the directive from the league.
 
If this is how the games are going to be called all year I may have to find something else to watch.

I understand the league is scared sh**less about concussions, but someone needs to remind them this is still a physical sport and that there's a difference between an intentional headshot and a clean open-ice hit.
 
hederman said:
If this is how the games are going to be called all year I may have to find something else to watch.

I understand the league is scared sh**less about concussions, but someone needs to remind them this is still a physical sport and that there's a difference between an intentional headshot and a clean open-ice hit.
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If you saw the hearings in front of Congress about concussions in sports - you'd understand why. They were ready to take down the NFL - and pretty much told them as much.

Players will adapt, no different than any other rule change. People keep talking about the lack of respect for each other on the ice, no different than a hit from behind - just because a person is in a position to have a free shot taken at him - it doesn't mean you have to take it.

And for those of you who there are mild concussions - there is no such thing. Either you did or you didn't smack your brain against your skull - and there's no such thing as a minor brain injury. With the speed the game is played at now - what's it going to take before someone dies on the ice because his head was down? Last time I checked, no one signed up to die playing a game...
 
Get rid of the hard caps on the elbow pads and shoulder pads then you won't see as many concussions on hits either. They are starting to institute this in junior and minor hockey why can't they in the pros?
 
Its BS, I thought it was a great hit. If Scott Stevens was still playing he would be in the box more then on the ice, ridiculous.
 
Hama said:
If you saw the hearings in front of Congress about concussions in sports - you'd understand why. They were ready to take down the NFL - and pretty much told them as much.

Players will adapt, no different than any other rule change. People keep talking about the lack of respect for each other on the ice, no different than a hit from behind - just because a person is in a position to have a free shot taken at him - it doesn't mean you have to take it.

And for those of you who there are mild concussions - there is no such thing. Either you did or you didn't smack your brain against your skull - and there's no such thing as a minor brain injury. With the speed the game is played at now - what's it going to take before someone dies on the ice because his head was down? Last time I checked, no one signed up to die playing a game...
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If someone doesn't want to get hit, don't step on the ice. Society as a whole is getting ridiculous with trying to prevent every potential injury.

I play sports with the knowledge that there is the potential I will get hurt and possibly , although extremely unlikely, won't be getting up. It's no different than the risks we take everywhere else in our lives.
 
c_bass22 said:
I agree with you man, I don't like checks from behind and players who used their elbow to hit the head. But in the center of the ice you have to keep your head up, it's a simple rule of thumb.
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exactly...
 
It's preseason. I'm hoping that everyone (including the refs) are getting back into the groove.

Curious to see how things play out during the regular season.
 
bunkman said:
Get rid of the hard caps on the elbow pads and shoulder pads then you won't see as many concussions on hits either. They are starting to institute this in junior and minor hockey why can't they in the pros?
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exactly, and im on my lunch break from my referee course, we are concentrating on head shots, new rule this year, any, and I mean any contanct to the head, a 2+10min misconduct or 5+GM, no if ands or buts.... it is on the onus of the player delivering the hit to avoid the head, if Phaneuf hits someone and there is contact to the head, the refs are instructed to hand out a penalty, and we need to get that hard plastic off the players elbows and shoulders.
 
Its been coming for years, The NHL will eventually be figure skaters with sticks.

Fighting is clearly on its last legs and being heavily debated....so the NHL willl eventually cave to the pressure and ban it.

Now players are being penilized for hitting.....oh boy.

If this is the case im taking the Sedin sisters in my hockey pool, cuz they gonna put up some points being able to skate in circles with no worries.
 
Mike Lucio said:
If this is the case im taking the Sedin sisters in my hockey pool, cuz they gonna put up some points being able to skate in circles with no worries.
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I see immaturity hasn't lessened this season. :rolleyes:

Topic at hand. The game has evolved. The players are bigger, faster, with better equipment. Players have to adapt to rule changes, just like they have in the pat, and will have to in the future.

A few years back, people were whining and complaining about clutch and grab. the league eventually (15 years after the fact) changed it. The players adapted. There is no indication the players won't adapt to these changes, regardless of how the fans may think they are not for the 'good' of the game.

And, it will still be a great freaking game.
 
Mike Lucio said:
Its been coming for years, The NHL will eventually be figure skaters with sticks.

Fighting is clearly on its last legs and being heavily debated....so the NHL willl eventually cave to the pressure and ban it.

Now players are being penilized for hitting.....oh boy.

If this is the case im taking the Sedin sisters in my hockey pool, cuz they gonna put up some points being able to skate in circles with no worries.
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This is sad and very true!
 
Mike Lucio said:
Its been coming for years, The NHL will eventually be figure skaters with sticks.

Fighting is clearly on its last legs and being heavily debated....so the NHL willl eventually cave to the pressure and ban it.

Now players are being penilized for hitting.....oh boy.

If this is the case im taking the Sedin sisters in my hockey pool, cuz they gonna put up some points being able to skate in circles with no worries.
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Sadly, I think you afe right. The fact that rosehill (tor) and ansimov (nyr) were given instigator penalties for retaliating against dirty hits on teammates is a complete fraud. Who is putting pressure on the NHL to get rid of fighting?? Last time I checked, fans seemed more excited during a fight then anything else. It has become quite sad.
 
Orca Pod said:
A few years back, people were whining and complaining about clutch and grab. the league eventually (15 years after the fact) changed it. The players adapted.
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No, they haven't adapted; that's why there are a ton more PPs/game. Before the lockout, 2-3 power plays was great. Now, if you only get 2-3, you're not trying hard enough.

Also; if we're saying ANY contact to the head is a penalty, and I saw a player coming towards me, I'd make sure he made minimal contact with my head. That dirty SOB, taking head shots.
 
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jmatchett said:
So last night, during the Sabres-Leafs game, a Sabres played (forget who) is skating through center ice with his head down. Phaneuf came over and hit him, making some contact with the body and some with the head. He stood him up, which is what he's supposed to do. There was no injury, and he didn't seem to target the head. Paneuf was given 2 minutes.

Now I'm no Leafs fan, but that is a total crap call. So, what was Phaneuf supposed to do? If he doesn't step up, the player will keep going. Phaneuf is not the fastest player ever, so part of his game is to be physical. However, if he attempts to check the player at all, he's bound to hit his head due to the player's body positioning.

So Phaneuf either had to get 2 minutes (really, he didn't even hit him that hard) or get screamed at by the coach for letting his man go by. What should a player like him do with the new rules?
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Did the Sabres player have possession of the puck?
 

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