Boeser, Barzal, Keller, et al.

[sprague11]

Unless there's compromising photos of Barzal, he's got the Calder locked up, even with the season Boeser is having.

Fun thoughts: Had Boston took the next 3 players instead of Zboril, DeBrusk, Senyshyn in 2015, they'd have Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot. Yikes.

 

[30ranfordfan]

If Edmonton had recognized that Griffen Reinhart was already a bust, and barely worth the 33rd pick in the draft... much less the 16th & 33rd... they'd have Barzal too, assuming he went in the same slot :veryhappy:

Unless there's compromising photos of Barzal, he's got the Calder locked up, even with the season Boeser is having.

Fun thoughts: Had Boston took the next 3 players instead of Zboril, DeBrusk, Senyshyn in 2015, they'd have Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot. Yikes.

 

[canucksfreak19]

Chiarelli could well be the worst GM in the NHL.

 

[Orca Pod]

Unless there's compromising photos of Barzal, he's got the Calder locked up, even with the season Boeser is having.

I'm tending to agree. First off, there's the eastern bias, due to the voters not seeing Boeser as much. Second, Barzal will most likely end up with the most points of the two.

Regardless of the fact he's played more games...

He also has had three 5-point games, which let's face it, tends to be noticed a lot... LOL

The only thing I can think of that voters may consider (but let's face it, this is asking far too much of them) is that Barzal plays with one of the best in the game, as well as a few other mighty fine players, while Boeser plays with Sven Baertschi, Bo Horvat (not bad, but not Tavares by any stretch), and two other players that people immaturely call 'sisters' who apparently should have retired 3 years ago if the casual fan is to be believed...

I'm actually the most impressed with Keller, who's managed 40 points on the worst team in the league

 

[coxy15]

I'm tending to agree. First off, there's the eastern bias, due to the voters not seeing Boeser as much. Second, Barzal will most likely end up with the most points of the two.

Regardless of the fact he's played more games...

He also has had three 5-point games, which let's face it, tends to be noticed a lot... LOL

The only thing I can think of that voters may consider (but let's face it, this is asking far too much of them) is that Barzal plays with one of the best in the game, as well as a few other mighty fine players, while Boeser plays with Sven Baertschi, Bo Horvat (not bad, but not Tavares by any stretch), and two other players that people immaturely call 'sisters' who apparently should have retired 3 years ago if the casual fan is to be believed...

I'm actually the most impressed with Keller, who's managed 40 points on the worst team in the league

I was thinking last night as I was checking the scores
and your last two points came to mind.Keller on the Yotes
is amazing but the thought of who Boeser and Barzal both
play with I think should be considered.Not only Tavares but
Anders Lee also has 27 goals so teams have others to
worry about.Boeser is the go to guy in regards of goals.
That should count for something in my mind.

 

[TanguayFan]

I'm tending to agree. First off, there's the eastern bias, due to the voters not seeing Boeser as much. Second, Barzal will most likely end up with the most points of the two.

Regardless of the fact he's played more games...

He also has had three 5-point games, which let's face it, tends to be noticed a lot... LOL

The only thing I can think of that voters may consider (but let's face it, this is asking far too much of them) is that Barzal plays with one of the best in the game, as well as a few other mighty fine players, while Boeser plays with Sven Baertschi, Bo Horvat (not bad, but not Tavares by any stretch), and two other players that people immaturely call 'sisters' who apparently should have retired 3 years ago if the casual fan is to be believed...

I'm actually the most impressed with Keller, who's managed 40 points on the worst team in the league

Barzal does NOT play on a line with Tavares. He rarely lines up with Bailey and Tavares, except on the PP, and even then, it has been sporadic at best. His regular linemates are Eberle and Beauvillier. I think it was Eberle and Ladd earlier in the season.

Which means that, unlike Boeser, he does not always face the other teams top defense and defensive forwards. Plus, Barzal has been less consistent than Boeser. Barzal scored a full 25% of his current point totals in 3 games.

What is going to get Boeser the recognition that he deserves, is that most of Barzal's point production is coming off assists. Boeser scores goals. And lots of them. And pretty ones too. Plus he has an All Star MVP nod, and all the media attention that came with it, and Barzal didn't even get an invite.

Unless Barzal finishes the season 20 points or more ahead of Boeser, I still think the award is Boeser's to lose.

And yes, Keller has been criminally underrated this year, although THN had him as their odds on favorite to win the Calder, IIRC.

 

[BlindThomen]

I'm tending to agree. First off, there's the eastern bias, due to the voters not seeing Boeser as much. Second, Barzal will most likely end up with the most points of the two.

Regardless of the fact he's played more games...

He also has had three 5-point games, which let's face it, tends to be noticed a lot... LOL

The only thing I can think of that voters may consider (but let's face it, this is asking far too much of them) is that Barzal plays with one of the best in the game, as well as a few other mighty fine players, while Boeser plays with Sven Baertschi, Bo Horvat (not bad, but not Tavares by any stretch), and two other players that people immaturely call 'sisters' who apparently should have retired 3 years ago if the casual fan is to be believed...

I'm actually the most impressed with Keller, who's managed 40 points on the worst team in the league

I gotta agree with Randy here.

- Sauli

 

[cburt]

Barzal does NOT play on a line with Tavares. He rarely lines up with Bailey and Tavares, except on the PP, and even then, it has been sporadic at best. His regular linemates are Eberle and Beauvillier. I think it was Eberle and Ladd earlier in the season.

Which means that, unlike Boeser, he does not always face the other teams top defense and defensive forwards. Plus, Barzal has been less consistent than Boeser. Barzal scored a full 25% of his current point totals in 3 games.

What is going to get Boeser the recognition that he deserves, is that most of Barzal's point production is coming off assists. Boeser scores goals. And lots of them. And pretty ones too. Plus he has an All Star MVP nod, and all the media attention that came with it, and Barzal didn't even get an invite.

Unless Barzal finishes the season 20 points or more ahead of Boeser, I still think the award is Boeser's to lose.

And yes, Keller has been criminally underrated this year, although THN had him as their odds on favorite to win the Calder, IIRC.

I totally agree. And you are right. But I'm not sure that will sway Eastern voters to sympathize with Boeser's cause. If Barzal can finish the season with the most points as a rookie, I don't know if anything Boeser does can win him the award. Although he should. Who knows, I mean if Boeser is not out for too long and can come back and get 40 goals maybe.

 

[coderedxm]

I totally agree. And you are right. But I'm not sure that will sway Eastern voters to sympathize with Boeser's cause. If Barzal can finish the season with the most points as a rookie, I don't know if anything Boeser does can win him the award. Although he should. Who knows, I mean if Boeser is not out for too long and can come back and get 40 goals maybe.

Boeser is not even out. Missed one game, with a bummed hand... hopefully it doesn't effect him too much.

I like how Tanguayfan stated the fact that Barzal has 25% of all his points in 3 games. To me that doesn't prove who a Calder winner is. Boeser has been solid all year, every game. The guy has been the anchor of the Canucks who can be relied upon. Barzal is unreal, don't get me wrong... Hard to be Biased towards either of them since Barzal is my hometown player (Coquitlam, BC) and Boeser is my hometeam player. I'm just glad to see both of these guys in the running.

 

[Orca Pod]

Barzal does NOT play on a line with Tavares. He rarely lines up with Bailey and Tavares, except on the PP, and even then, it has been sporadic at best. His regular linemates are Eberle and Beauvillier. I think it was Eberle and Ladd earlier in the season.

Which means that, unlike Boeser, he does not always face the other teams top defense and defensive forwards. Plus, Barzal has been less consistent than Boeser. Barzal scored a full 25% of his current point totals in 3 games.

What is going to get Boeser the recognition that he deserves, is that most of Barzal's point production is coming off assists. Boeser scores goals. And lots of them. And pretty ones too. Plus he has an All Star MVP nod, and all the media attention that came with it, and Barzal didn't even get an invite.

Unless Barzal finishes the season 20 points or more ahead of Boeser, I still think the award is Boeser's to lose.

And yes, Keller has been criminally underrated this year, although THN had him as their odds on favorite to win the Calder, IIRC.

I know that Rob, I worded it strange... he does get PP time with Tavares, that was part of the twin comment.

Funny, I was going to bring up the consistency thing too, but thought I'd get jumped on.

 

[pathshot]

I know that Rob, I worded it strange... he does get PP time with Tavares, that was part of the twin comment. .

Ladies and gentlemen, can't we have one conversation without bringing up Barzal's bathroom habits?

 

[Bossy22]

Should also bring up that Boeser gets first line minutes while Barzal gets 2nd line and it hasn’t even been that long ago he use to get 2nd line pp time. He is the easy Calder winner at this point because he’s the best rookie, plain and simple.

 

[TanguayFan]

Should also bring up that Boeser gets first line minutes while Barzal gets 2nd line and it hasn’t even been that long ago he use to get 2nd line pp time.

REALLY?

Barzal TOI/G 17:29 PP TOI/G 3:14
Boeser TOI/G 17:24 PP TOI/G 2:54

Wanna try that one again?

 

[Bossy22]

REALLY?

Barzal TOI/G 17:29 PP TOI/G 3:14
Boeser TOI/G 17:24 PP TOI/G 2:54

Wanna try that one again?

I didn't say he played more, I said he has top line minutes. He plays with the best on the Canucks (not saying their great) while Barzal plays with a cast off from the Oilers and someone who was in the minors this year.

 

[pathshot]

I didn't say he played more, I said he has top line minutes. He plays with the best on the Canucks (not saying their great) while Barzal plays with a cast off from the Oilers and someone who was in the minors this year.

Anthony Beauvillier had 2 goals in 3 games in Bridgeport before getting the call from the Islanders. This is not a lifelong minor leaguer; he just didn't make the opening night roster.

Jordan Eberle was a 20+ goal scorer in all of his full seasons in Edmonton starting in 2012-13, when he scored 34. In 2012-13, he scored 16 goals in 48. He was more of a misfit than a castoff.

I have a bunch of take out stuff I stole from Taco Bell, so if you want to keep grasping at straws, I can help.

 

[Bossy22]

Anthony Beauvillier had 2 goals in 3 games in Bridgeport before getting the call from the Islanders. This is not a lifelong minor leaguer; he just didn't make the opening night roster.

Jordan Eberle was a 20+ goal scorer in all of his full seasons in Edmonton starting in 2012-13, when he scored 34. In 2012-13, he scored 16 goals in 48. He was more of a misfit than a castoff.

I have a bunch of take out stuff I stole from Taco Bell, so if you want to keep grasping at straws, I can help.

Do you watch hockey? I’m just curious how many games you’ve seen Barzal play and how many Boeser. I’ve seen about 5 full games of each and their both super exciting but I’d take Barzal any day. Another straw (I mean point) is he’s a center. More responsibility. He also makes those who play with him better (more so than Boeser). Those are the last straws I’m grasping. Enjoy your empty platter.

 

[pathshot]

Do you watch hockey? I’m just curious how many games you’ve seen Barzal play and how many Boeser. I’ve seen about 5 full games of each and their both super exciting but I’d take Barzal any day. Another straw (I mean point) is he’s a center. More responsibility. He also makes those who play with him better (more so than Boeser). Those are the last straws I’m grasping. Enjoy your empty platter.

No I don't watch hockey and got into hockey cards explicitly to make money so I can keep my platter full and not take straws from Taco Bell.

I've seen both live at Staples Center. They don't compare because they have two different sets of responsibilities. Barzal found a home with the Isles; Boeser can be plugged into most lineups and needs the puck to be useful - but when he has it, good God.

 

[Bossy22]

No I don't watch hockey and got into hockey cards explicitly to make money so I can keep my platter full and not take straws from Taco Bell.

I've seen both live at Staples Center. They don't compare because they have two different sets of responsibilities. Barzal found a home with the Isles; Boeser can be plugged into most lineups and needs the puck to be useful - but when he has it, good God.

This make sense, thanks for being honest about not watching hockey. :dance:
They are both great players and we'll see which one is awarded the Calder and everyone can talk about bias all they want. (due to the fact Barzal will win it). As an Isles fan we have had not much to cheer about so everyone stop trying to take away our thunder!!!

 

[TanguayFan]

I didn't say he played more, I said he has top line minutes. He plays with the best on the Canucks (not saying their great) while Barzal plays with a cast off from the Oilers and someone who was in the minors this year.

And as stated, Barzal plays against weaker competition, while Boeser consistently plays against the best the other teams have to offer.

And that "cast-off" from the Oilers is miles more prolific in terms of point production than either of Boeser's regular linemates (Horvat and Baertschi).

While Barzal is good (really good), and will likely end up with a better career overall (since the Canucks seem to be content to let the rebuild get drawn out forever), take away those three 5 point games, and he would be lucky to even sniff the Calder over Boeser.

 

[Bossy22]

And as stated, Barzal plays against weaker competition, while Boeser consistently plays against the best the other teams have to offer.

And that "cast-off" from the Oilers is miles more prolific in terms of point production than either of Boeser's regular linemates (Horvat and Baertschi).

While Barzal is good (really good), and will likely end up with a better career overall (since the Canucks seem to be content to let the rebuild get drawn out forever), take away those three 5 point games, and he would be lucky to even sniff the Calder over Boeser.

Hey homer. Take away Boesers 3 top games and he’s down to fourth in voting. Ever wonder why Barzals line mates are better? He makes them better. Whoever plays with Barzal see’s a serious spike in their production!