Card Insurance? Is there such a thing?

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Hello HI Community,

Over the years I have collected more and more cards and the other day I was looking at my collection and realized, I have quite a bit of money invested in this addiction..... Then it brought me to thinking, what is something was to happened... how can I protect myself/investment. Which leads me to my question:

Is there such a thing as insurance for my card collection? or would it just fall under my Homeowner's? What is the best way I can protect myself/my collection, now that I have so much invested into it?

Any input is helpful.

Thanks!
 
A- Keep very good records of the cards you have.
B- Best place for them is in either a bank vault ( Deposit box) or your own "very high end" vault which is everything proof lol (cost ya about 5-6K).
I havent heard of any "card insurance" but I made sure that they would be covered under my house insurance ( had to up my valuables limit to make room for the cards).
Im happy with that, as I retain all proof of purchases and have a very detailed inventory complete with photos I dont see there being any issues should something happen.
 
Thanks SimonJa! I have an Excel doc of every card I own, but it doesnt include their worth nor how much I paid for them. I could probably go back a year with eBay in regards to proof of purchase, but what else would you do in terms of documentation?

Thanks again!
 
Back in '96 when still living with my folks and going to college I probably had one of the nicest Bure collections around and lost it in a break in. I hadn't made any special arrangements but luckily my parents house insurance did cover it... I'd kept photos and a spreadsheet of my PC so it was pretty straightforward, I got one of the local card show dealers who was a Beckett contributor to write up an appraisal, insurance company low balled me offering 50 percent, I said I'd take 70 and done deal.

Luckily it all worked out really well in my case but I have no idea whether other policies have any exclusions or limits, or require you to pre-notify them of any exceptionally valuable items, so it's a really good idea to check your individual policy not only for how much you're covered, but also should anything happen what sort of documentation would they need as proof, and how they would go about appraising a collection.
 
I think you can get a rider policy on your home insurance for this but there are stipulations as how they are to be stored and where in your house. Thats in Canada at least. Plus it1s a bit pricey.
 
I talked to my insurance company about this a couple years ago. I was told to document my collection, take photos or scans and keep purchase receipts.

Because I am a player collector, I'm less worried about the low end base, but try to keep tabs on the larger $$$ cards. I kept ep 7 years of paperwork and so have PayPal receipts for current pickups. Cards that I got over a decade ago I really have no proof of purchase price.

I would recommend talking to your insurance guy.
 
http://collectinsure.com/

would be a start. Also, you can definitely either expand your personal property coverage for an additional cost (your agent will probably note your reasons and general details). Check with your agent (I used to sell insurance AND was briefly a claims adjuster).

Here is an area where BV actually means something if a claim comes in, as an adjuster will look at replacement cost and, as sedinfan indicated, will likely offer you a percentage of BV in a settlement, many times relying on a reputable dealer. Don't worry about how much you paid for it as much as how much it is "worth" (current BV). Regardless of how you maintain coverage, be as fastidious as possible in keeping computer and video records. Consider a small safe for cards BV $100+.
 
I used to carry insurance on my cards.But the cost was so high and the record keeping was just way too much for me.So I decided to take my high end PC to my safety deposit box at the bank and keep the rest so I could sell/trade as I seen fit.It was not really part of my house insurance although I paid for it with my house insurance.It was call a collectible insurance.Every time you removed any of the cards from the house a record had to be kept.And any that did not return had to be deleted from your inventory.This was important because I was doing the odd card show.Good luck with this.
 
Insurance told me (after a break in, luckily just the stuff on my desk was taken) that it would be covered under home owners insurance (I didnt keep a copy of this as most were traders, so never claimed anything for it). Said to keep track of what I have with as much info as I can think of. I would imagine, that if the collection is worth a large amount, then it is best to get specialized insurance for it.
I have 99% of my collection scanned and put into an excel sheet, both of which are on my PC, and online. My Patrick Roy PC is priced out as much as I can. I havent updated it in like 5 years, but I imagine the value on the cards havent moved much.
 
I looked into this extensively about 15 years ago. I have a separate policy covering my stuff because of it. Your regular household insurance will only cover up to $1000 for what is deemed sports memorabilia. That wouldn't even come close in a modest collection. Itemizing everything is a great idea, but you still need to have a policy to supplement your household policy. I have an Access Database that I created back in college that I use. It has over 25000 records. I have put a ton of time in entering in data in this thing, so its a beast. I have backups of it all over the place, so if anything happens, I should be safe. I probably should upgrade my policy at this point as well.
 
I added "collection" insurance to my policy last year. The firm I have did not have one specifically for collections per se, just a flat coverage rate if your stuff is lost. They have tiers that start at 40k and the monthly rate is low like $5 or so and maybe goes up a couple bucks per 10k increase. It shows up on my bill as Homeowners insurance. From what I understand, the whole itemizing thing with collections is if you are talking high dollar value.

It doesn't hurt to ask whoever you get insurance through. It doesn't even have to be who you have insurance with for your house. I have it added to my car insurance.
 
I think you can get a rider policy on your home insurance for this but there are stipulations as how they are to be stored and where in your house. Thats in Canada at least. Plus it1s a bit pricey.

Not sure how pricy it is but it is available as we do 1-2 valuation for insurance purposes a month. When people sit down and realize what they have, it only makes sense to get a valuation done and a rider for the collection.
 
I added "collection" insurance to my policy last year. The firm I have did not have one specifically for collections per se, just a flat coverage rate if your stuff is lost. They have tiers that start at 40k and the monthly rate is low like $5 or so and maybe goes up a couple bucks per 10k increase. It shows up on my bill as Homeowners insurance. From what I understand, the whole itemizing thing with collections is if you are talking high dollar value.

It doesn't hurt to ask whoever you get insurance through. It doesn't even have to be who you have insurance with for your house. I have it added to my car insurance.

Double-check your policy on just what this covers and where. If it is under your auto policy but is listed as some sort of "homeowners" insurance and is that cheap, it may only cover items stolen from your car that are normally kept in your residence (or some language like that). It would be highly unusual for a non-specialty insurance company to underwrite a risk in the home without carrying the base home policy. Of course, New York does have some very unusual insurance laws, so maybe you found a good way to cover collectibles cheaply.
 
I second CollectInsure.com. Have seen them at lots of card shows and model train shows. Just did an estimate from them:

General Property Collection Policy
The value of your General Property to be insured:$20,000
The estimated cost of this policy will be:$131.08

Not bad at all IMO.
 
A) In general most collectibles are ONLY covered up to $2500 on most insurance policies.
Check with your Homeowners Insurance to be sure. Also most Renter's Policies do not insure ANY collectibles.

B) Some have said that their agent said this or that.
I am going to tell you right now to get it in writing.... PERIOD.
Most are not aware that the cards will not be covered like other valuables - same as rare coins etc.

C) Best bet is a RIDER on your Home Policy.

D) If you live in the US - don;t pay attention to what someone says from another country an vice-versa. Coverage and rules vary greatly from country to country.

E) Keep print outs of eBay transactions of your cards as proof of what you paid as well as receipts from your local shop. Also keep a digital record (hi-res) on a separate thumb drive in a safe place and remember to update often.


Many US Insurance companies DO NOT INSURE cards - I would never take anyone's word for it - PERIOD. I have seen to many instances of fire/theft damage where jewelry, collectibles even figurines were not covered.

To give you an idea even my golf club/equipment is carried on a rider.
No deductible and no questions about coverage.

This has been a PSA.

Bruce
 
A) In general most collectibles are ONLY covered up to $2500 on most insurance policies.
Check with your Homeowners Insurance to be sure. Also most Renter's Policies do not insure ANY collectibles.

B) Some have said that their agent said this or that.
I am going to tell you right now to get it in writing.... PERIOD.
Most are not aware that the cards will not be covered like other valuables - same as rare coins etc.

C) Best bet is a RIDER on your Home Policy.

D) If you live in the US - don;t pay attention to what someone says from another country an vice-versa. Coverage and rules vary greatly from country to country.

E) Keep print outs of eBay transactions of your cards as proof of what you paid as well as receipts from your local shop. Also keep a digital record (hi-res) on a separate thumb drive in a safe place and remember to update often.


Many US Insurance companies DO NOT INSURE cards - I would never take anyone's word for it - PERIOD. I have seen to many instances of fire/theft damage where jewelry, collectibles even figurines were not covered.

To give you an idea even my golf club/equipment is carried on a rider.
No deductible and no questions about coverage.

This has been a PSA.

Bruce

This is pretty close to what I would say. I have worked in the insurance industry for over 15 years and currently write some of the craziest policies imaginable.

I hate to throw many "agents" under the bus but the "my agent said" argument is going to hold no value come claim time and is often times completely wrong information. Talk to your agent and please ask them to show you where it is or is not covered in the policy.

Anyone who tells you that it is covered under the homeowners section is telling you a half truth. That coverage is going to come with very significant limitations (ie $500/$1000/$5000 cap) and is also subject to your homeowners deductible. Most people carry at least at $1000k deductible (or should anyway) which is going to cut into any settlement.

I do not know of the company that specifically writes collectibles mentioned but it is certainly worth reviewing.

Under a personal policy there are two basic coverages that will address this type of collection - a Blanket Policy and a Schedule Policy (or rider).

Personally - I schedule a handful of cards, basically the stuff that is of significant value (I set my line at about $1k cards and up). It is more expensive but (generally) there are very few limitations to the coverage - flood, mysterious disappearance, dog ate it, etc are all covered. Those are all likely not covered on a homeowners policy. Cards generally need to have an appraisal and an agreed value settled on between the policy holder and company. If there is a loss, policy holder is paid that full amount (generally).

I also have a significant blanket - these can be set up in a number of different ways but basically they give you a lot of coverage but limit at one items payout. So a person could have $50k in total coverage with no one item to exceed $500 - if there is a total loss, the full blanked would be paid - if you had a Crosby Cup Rookie stolen, you would cap out at $500. Not good for high end cards but good for basic collections with lots of changes and decent but not super high end cards.


PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERYTHING I HAVE MENTIONED AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN EVERY POST VARIES FROM POLICY TO POLICY, FROM STATE TO STATE AND FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY - PLEASE DO NOT TAKE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION AS THE "BE ALL, END ALL".


I am happy to review any insurance documents for people to let you know what you have - unfortunately, the news will likely not be good and the coverage will be significantly limited from what you think is there.

I would hate to tell every person here to keep detailed records for a loss that could happen some day - only to have that happen and have all that time and data collection be completely useless as there is no available coverage or it is significantly limited.

That being said - scans, spreadsheets, data is rarely a bad thing - also, get a fireproof safe and don't keep it on an upper floor of your home if possible. They do a great job of keeping fire out but don't do a great job when the building collapses and they fall 20 feet to the concrete slab.
 
Thanks for confirming - I have already seen a couple of disasters.

AAA is one of the very few companies that still allows collectible cards on its coverage - but it is still difficult to collect other than marketable cards.
 
Double-check your policy on just what this covers and where. If it is under your auto policy but is listed as some sort of "homeowners" insurance and is that cheap, it may only cover items stolen from your car that are normally kept in your residence (or some language like that). It would be highly unusual for a non-specialty insurance company to underwrite a risk in the home without carrying the base home policy. Of course, New York does have some very unusual insurance laws, so maybe you found a good way to cover collectibles cheaply.

I went into the insurance office personally to inquire. It is more like the Rider that Suitman mentioned OR it is the "general" renters insurance option which covers items in the home, as opposed to the house itself. So it is also a half truth to say that type of insurance doesn't cover a collection. The amount I chose to insure for is high enough to cover the regular items AND the collection. Also it isn't under the auto policy, but with the company the auto policy is with.
 
I went into the insurance office personally to inquire. It is more like the Rider that Suitman mentioned OR it is the "general" renters insurance option which covers items in the home, as opposed to the house itself. So it is also a half truth to say that type of insurance doesn't cover a collection. The amount I chose to insure for is high enough to cover the regular items AND the collection. Also it isn't under the auto policy, but with the company the auto policy is with.



You are talking about contents coverage.
I would be willing to lay large odds that collectibles are limited on that policy.
The most common limit is $2500 on coins and other collectibles. The key is that most agents are not knowledgeable about the value of some of our collections.


I am not trying to argue - I am trying to save someone a lot of grief.

READ the entire policy - especially the exclusions part.
You will be very surprised to find things that your insurance does not cover.
If you think you are covered and your agent says you are - then they should be willing to put it in writing.

While you are at it - if you or your spouse has valuable jewelry , ask what the li9mits of liability are on that too.
 

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