Cup prices

Dewwen said:
This will be the first year since Cup has been out that I will not buy at least a case. Watched several case breaks today; did not see a single one return anything close to the cost. Without a decent rookie crop the content does not support the price.
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THIIIIIIIS.
 
I stopped collected cards years ago but cup release was always a fun time to come on here and check out the breaks in the show and tell section. Really surprised that I've only noticed an inner case break and two separate case breaks from one member so far. I guess the hobbyinsider community has basically decided to sit this one out.
 
Yeah usually I have been collecting brilliance and enshrinements but with the checklist being very very devoid of star content, not this year I think
 
slckrsx said:
I stopped collected cards years ago but cup release was always a fun time to come on here and check out the breaks in the show and tell section. Really surprised that I've only noticed an inner case break and two separate case breaks from one member so far. I guess the hobbyinsider community has basically decided to sit this one out.
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Yeah, I have done a 3 box case every year since 2010-11, but when the best RPA:s you can pull are like Dubois or Boeser I decided to stay away this year. The prices point for me to touch this product would be like $400/tin. By the way, the wholesale price in the US is only $335/tin this year, so these are retailers who came up with theses $500+/tin prices.
 
I know many were not keen on it, but me thinks Splendor gives a much better return on dollars than the Cup breaks I have been watching. Way higher quality memorabilia and player selection.
 
bwmechtech said:
I know many were not keen on it, but me thinks Splendor gives a much better return on dollars than the Cup breaks I have been watching. Way higher quality memorabilia and player selection.
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Not as much fun opening a 1 card pack, but you're probably right. Splendor though not a fan, has some really nice GU pieces at least. This year's Cup, so much being photo shoot material, big pass for me.
 
maybe just maybe these card makers will wake up, a lot of collectors do not like paying large sums of money and getting only 30-35 percent return from the product.
 
I agree with the Splendor comments. While I would never buy a pack, I have purchased singles that have equaled to about 2 packs so far. 7 cards of HOFers is the best route to go for me. Hope there are more to open so I can get some more from the sellers.
 
I guess I did not to horribly since my hit was a A. DeBrincat patch auto Rc....so my over payment could have been much worse
 
WildforCup10 said:
maybe just maybe these card makers will wake up, a lot of collectors do not like paying large sums of money and getting only 30-35 percent return from the product.
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Well, a few things here. First off cards have always been made for the collector, not the flipper. I know these days there are many more flippers opening stuff but still boxes are geared towards the collector. The companies try to give collectors what they want (more rookie driven products, more GU, more patches, more dual this, triple player that etc etc) The companies have little control over what the market prices will be on the products. A main part of the low return on breaks is the fact that nearly everything has been done, and done again, and again, and again which really drives value down. Companies keep giving us what we want and that drives the values down on the market considering at this point how much value does a new roy, messier, or Ludqvist auto have when we all have several autos of these players already and there's hundreds on ebay.
So far as "good return" on a product is concerned, that will continue to happen rarely if not at all. We all complain that prices on stuff are too high. Well of course it all seems high considering market value on stuff just sucks in general. Consider all the complaining with Splendor. Everyone *****ing about how the pulls are yielding $50-$150 a card on average when pack prices are higher. If you're trying to open any product to flip you're not smart considering this just doesn't happen anymore. But, when you consider what goes into one of those packs. All the costs for the company which there are several. Then you get a sharp on card auto of a star or HOF, with a premium piece of game used memorabilia, encased in a tamper proof holder to ensure authenticity, I think that's pretty cool. Not much more you can ask for there in my opinion.
 
I agree with your flipper vs. Collector comment. It is obvious if one buys solely to flip, you will most likely lose...but it’s still fun!

Now with that said...For those that bust a tin of this years The Cup, and are the unfortunate one’s that pull (outside of base) a couple of rookie auto’s of players the average hockey fan may never have heard of, a 1/1 printing plate of a low level player that may sell for $20, and then a 1 color patch limited logos or signature patches of an average player that produces the same resale value....I find it very difficult to believe this particular Upper Deck customer (and likely a similar experience customer) that saved all year to buy that one tin of The Cup, gives two swigs of gargled water what Upper Deck’s output Operational costs entailed.

For those elite few who may pull the desired top rookie pull or maybe a Gretzky/Crosby/McDavid patch or auto, the rest of us can just watch with eyebrows lifted in defeat.

This is just my opinion mind you, so don’t hate. However it is my opinion that this years release was rather dissapointing

gobuffalo2331 said:
Well, a few things here. First off cards have always been made for the collector, not the flipper. I know these days there are many more flippers opening stuff but still boxes are geared towards the collector. The companies try to give collectors what they want (more rookie driven products, more GU, more patches, more dual this, triple player that etc etc) The companies have little control over what the market prices will be on the products. A main part of the low return on breaks is the fact that nearly everything has been done, and done again, and again, and again which really drives value down. Companies keep giving us what we want and that drives the values down on the market considering at this point how much value does a new roy, messier, or Ludqvist auto have when we all have several autos of these players already and there's hundreds on ebay.
So far as "good return" on a product is concerned, that will continue to happen rarely if not at all. We all complain that prices on stuff are too high. Well of course it all seems high considering market value on stuff just sucks in general. Consider all the complaining with Splendor. Everyone *****ing about how the pulls are yielding $50-$150 a card on average when pack prices are higher. If you're trying to open any product to flip you're not smart considering this just doesn't happen anymore. But, when you consider what goes into one of those packs. All the costs for the company which there are several. Then you get a sharp on card auto of a star or HOF, with a premium piece of game used memorabilia, encased in a tamper proof holder to ensure authenticity, I think that's pretty cool. Not much more you can ask for there in my opinion.
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OilersRule said:
I agree with your flipper vs. Collector comment. It is obvious if one buys solely to flip, you will most likely lose...but it’s still fun!

Now with that said...For those that bust a tin of this years The Cup, and are the unfortunate one’s that pull (outside of base) a couple of rookie auto’s of players the average hockey fan may never have heard of, a 1/1 printing plate of a low level player that may sell for $20, and then a 1 color patch limited logos or signature patches of an average player that produces the same resale value....I find it very difficult to believe this particular Upper Deck customer (and likely a similar experience customer) that saved all year to buy that one tin of The Cup, gives two swigs of gargled water what Upper Deck’s output Operational costs entailed.

For those elite few who may pull the desired top rookie pull or maybe a Gretzky/Crosby/McDavid patch or auto, the rest of us can just watch with eyebrows lifted in defeat.

This is just my opinion mind you, so don’t hate. However it is my opinion that this years release was rather dissapointing
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Oh, I totally agree. The cup is absolutely absurd. Regardless of employer costs for the whole damn thing, $450-$600+ for a pack is just out of control considering the packs don't even yield much. You charge that much for 5 on card autos from star or HOF players that's one thing that most could rationalize the cost regardless of sell value. But the CUP is a different story.
I opened one tin last year....1 base, 1 rookie foundation quad jersey, 1 base rookie, 2 autograph rookie event used patches. Just all mid tier rookie stuff was in the pack and it was all photo shoot. Not 1 game used card and not 1 veteran auto. That's sad. But, the CUP is kinda unique compared to most other products.
 

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