Determining COPPER, SILVER, GOLD, PEWTER etc. cards

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I have been out of collecting hockey cards for about 13 years until this season's crop of cards. Pulled a Crosby on my first pick of UD1 and the rest is history (as is a BIG chunk of my savings ;)). Anyhow, lots has changed in the past decade or so, some for the better and some not I suppose. That's not what this thread is about though.

What often baffles me the most (and what this thread IS about) is when I am trying to catalogue or determine the value of a card and there are 2, 3, 4, 5 variations of the same card with the same card # and such. I sometimes have a helluva time determining what the freakin card is.

In some cases people have added information for the card (and/or set) on the Beckett OPG which usually helps me out, but as I said, all too often this information is not there (specially for the most recent releases) and I cannot figure out what's what.

I have lightly browsed the UD website but haven't really found anything there that is helpful. I am sure there must be a source of info on print runs/numbering (/10, /25, /50 etc) that corresponds to the labeling of a card as COPPER, SILVER, GOLD, PEWTER, MAROON, BLACK, RED, BLUE, YELLOW, BEIGE, GREEN... How many did I leave out? I can often determine the difference between black and red, or blue, or green, but sometimes what's pewter looks gold or copper or bronze and is silver always silver? Not to mention that a gold here is not a gold there, as with the silvers. And what's more rare, blue or red, or gold, maroon? Surely not beige?

So, if you can, I would love for someone to help me out here and hopefully point me to some source(s) of information on this, a guide or list if you would, so I can figure out what's what and when a /75 is a copper and a /100 is a gold and where in the hell maroon and beige fit in.

Thanks a lot for help here; in advance.
Kevin
 
Kevin

Whenever I have a question about such things! :D

I just give hatzosman6 AKA Andy a PM! He has a wealth of knowledge in these items.

Hope this helps?

Brian
 
This is my forte in the hobby -- parallels are my shtick. Let me know what specific questions you've got and I should be able to answer them as long as they're 97-98 and more recent.

As for a comprehensive guide on this stuff? I guess the Beckett Big Book would be your best option, but they've been whittling away set descriptions and odds and pictures over the past couple of releases... and it's really turning into a big disappointment. Plus, it's not free ;)

EDIT: hahaha, Brian beat me to it. Thanks for the good reference :D
 
langway05 said:
Kevin

Whenever I have a question about such things! :D

I just give hatzosman6 AKA Andy a PM! He has a wealth of knowledge in these items.

Hope this helps?

Brian

Thanks Brian,

As luck would have it, Andy posted a reply moments after you! :)


hatzosman6 said:
This is my forte in the hobby -- parallels are my shtick. Let me know what specific questions you've got and I should be able to answer them as long as they're 97-98 and more recent.

As for a comprehensive guide on this stuff? I guess the Beckett Big Book would be your best option, but they've been whittling away set descriptions and odds and pictures over the past couple of releases... and it's really turning into a big disappointment. Plus, it's not free ;)

EDIT: hahaha, Brian beat me to it. Thanks for the good reference :D

Sweet Andy! Are you available 24/7? ;) Lol, just kidding.

Ok, first question: :D

These are the two cards the broke the camel's back and prompted me to post this thread. I know I have others, but I have since layed them to rest for the time being and just guessed! Lol. I know I will run into them again.

Back to today's question:
Got in two 05/06 Autofacts, one gold(ish) in color (or is it pewter) /100, the other... copper maybe??? or is it gold??? Maroon? Ahhh!! The second in question is /75. Please tell me what's what.

Thanks,
Kevin
 
Oh man, the AutoFacts are a REAL pain to figure out.

The /100 ones are the "base" cards from the set, and I believe those are gold in color.

The /75 cards are copper... they are more of a "reddish" shade of gold.

Silver cards are /50 and aren't that tough to figure out, since there is basically no "color" to the card at all.

Pewter may be the hardest trouble to figure out. It's sort of a cross between Silver and Gold. The Pewter AutoFacts are /10.

Blue is the easiest... those are 1/1.



Finally, it appears that a few of the high-end guys (Gretzky, Brodeur, and two others) don't even have Gold (base) versions!


Hope that helps! :D
 
hatzosman6 said:
Oh man, the AutoFacts are a REAL pain to figure out.

The /100 ones are the "base" cards from the set, and I believe those are gold in color.

The /75 cards are copper... they are more of a "reddish" shade of gold.

Silver cards are /50 and aren't that tough to figure out, since there is basically no "color" to the card at all.

Pewter may be the hardest trouble to figure out. It's sort of a cross between Silver and Gold. The Pewter AutoFacts are /10.

Blue is the easiest... those are 1/1.



Finally, it appears that a few of the high-end guys (Gretzky, Brodeur, and two others) don't even have Gold (base) versions!


Hope that helps! :D

Thanks Andy, that definitely helps. Still makes no sense as far as the convention they follow in determining these designations, but definitely helps.

It would be great if the card companies could put some kind of indicator on the back, like a small g or p or s or c or something or simply spell it out. Or post a list a print runs or the assignment of such designations on their websites.

I guess some things are just better left to the experts, which I am not.

Thanks again Andy,

Kevin
 
No problem. Any other questions, fire 'em off. This goes for anyone reading the thread :)

There really is no rhyme or reason as for which color is more "prestigious" in each set. Blue is a mid-level parallel in the Artifacts base set, but it's the best in the AutoFacts set. Pewter is the easiest parallel in the base set, but it's the second best in AutoFacts. Howabout some consistency here, folks?
 

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