Economic doom mean doom for the hobby?

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Ok maybe the title is a bit too dramatic. Just wondering with the meltdown on Wall Street today, with more possibly to come, if you guys think it will impact the hobby a lot, or won't make a lot of difference. Hockey card collecting would be low on the economic priority list for most casual hobby collectors. So, I'm thinking that it will shrink an already fairly small, niche market. What do you guys think?
 
I went to a sports card show this past weekend and it was half the size it was 15 months ago. The only guys left are the established ones that (I'm assuming) have stores somewhere.
 
It almost has to effect this hobby. People are going to be forced to spend $$ else where and the X-tra that used to be there will fade It wont kill it but it will take a wack.
 
I could care less if my investments (RRSP's) are lower today, that's a long term investment. When people start losing their jobs is when it starts to affect the money flowing in to the hobby, and I haven't seen or heard of any massive layoffs.

When I've had a bad day in the market my favorite thing is to go bust a case or two of Black at the local hobby shop. :)
 
I think it could. If things go the way they are people will spend less on hobbies and such. I think less wax will be busted especially of high end gambling products. Singles will sell for less and some of the small dealers will cease to exist. If you have the cash you can pick up some great deals on cards that would have sold higher. How many Crosby autos does one need? You will see the casual collector become a non collector. I know personally i will not be buying any wax and only pick up singles.

my 2 cents
 
The thing we have to be careful of is getting caught up in the hype. Last week things were super positive when they first announced the bailout. It's not all doom and gloom, just extremely volatile right now. We're more sensitive to what is going on in the world more than ever before due to the access we have to media information. Let's have this discussion a week from now and we might have a whole different perspective. Don't base your decisions on one single day.
 
It will affect the hobby some what but you have to understand....You need money to lose money....Take me for example...Unfortunately I live paycheck to paycheck...I have 0 dollars invested in stock, bonds, or any type of high risk options or any risk for that matter....Did you ever hear the saying you need money to make money??....Well you also need money to lose money....My job is safe....I have no mortgage which means I don't have to pay any type of interest rates (especially not an adjustable rate which so many people got suckered into)....I pay my rent and my car payment and will still have the 100 or so dollars I throw into the money pit every week or so....For people like me, the hobby will stay the same...For those who are not in my situation, i can't speak for....
 
Well, so far even though the TSX was hammered today, Canada's economy has appeared to be somewhat insulated from the US economic meltdown. While the failure of the bailout will have a negative impact on Canada, it is unlikely that the Canadian economy will face issues as severe as those in the US.

In the states, if the media are to be believed, they are in for some very hard times, and I could see them mired in a severe recession for several years. It would take some really dramatic changes, and a whole lot of luck for the US to come away from this in anything less than 3 years, and without seeing some very very heavy job losses, which would be accompanied by continued precipitous drops in real estate values, considerably higher bankruptcy rates, and general hardship all around. Something to keep in mind though, is that for what I assume to be opportunity for personal gain, the powers that be (president bush, Bernanke, Paulson etc) are trying to paint a picture more dire than is neccesarily realistic, because they really wanted the bail out to proceed. Don't get me wrong, things are bad, and could become very very bad, but they may not be as bad as it seems. Only time will tell.

What does that mean for the hobby? Well, in Canada I think there will be offsetting factors. A slowdown in the economy may lead to a reduction in hobby purchases for some, but it would also mean more people staying home, rather than going on outings (ie. movies, amusement parks in the summer, theatre, etc.), and I would expect that to mean higher viewership of hockey games on TV, as people will still want to socialize, and getting together to watch the game is a common, and inexpensive vehicle for that. The more people watching hockey on TV, the more people who would be likely to gain an interest in collecting hockey cards. So the long and the short, in my opinion, is the Canadian hockey card market will be relatively unchanged.

In the US, I would expect to see something of a drop, possibly considerable, and that will lead to lower prices for all remaining collectors, including those in Canada as aggregate demand will be down.

There will still be insane prices paid for SSSP's that have player/set collectors who happen to be less affected by economic conditions, or who simply prioritize their collections over other possible expenditures.
 
Counterpoint

When the economy was down in the late 1970's early 1980's - NYC facing bankruptcy, interest rates well over 20%, jobs leaving for the orient, etc the hobby boomed. In 1981 two new licenses were awarded for MLB cards and baseball never looked back. Eventually other sports issued multiple licenses for cards and the hobby never looked back.
 
When the economy was down in the late 1970's early 1980's - NYC facing bankruptcy, interest rates well over 20%, jobs leaving for the orient, etc the hobby boomed. In 1981 two new licenses were awarded for MLB cards and baseball never looked back. Eventually other sports issued multiple licenses for cards and the hobby never looked back.

Yes, but, cards were $0.25 a pack back then. :)

And a dude named 'Gretzky' was changing the face of the NHL....

I recall hearing that same arguement made about comics many years ago - that there is a reverse correlation between the economy and collectibles, but it's a weak arguement at best, based mostly on coincidence. But I will still believe your arguement simply because I want to!! :)
 
IMO there are too many unique factors at play in this current market cycle to make any comparisons to past trends. I dont believe that we are going to see the four horsemen ride down Wall st (or Bay st for those north of the border) and that we are facing financial apocalypse. Certainly there will be some short term pains, especially for those who are heavily weighted in higher risk speculative type investment vehicles. You live by the sword, you die by it. You do the crime... you better be prepared to do the time.
In the end, at 36, Im not concerned in the least about what my RRSP will be valued at tomorrow....Im not selling....and I dont need to for another 30 years.
 
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Yes, but, cards were $0.25 a pack back then. :)

And a dude named 'Gretzky' was changing the face of the NHL....

I recall hearing that same arguement made about comics many years ago - that there is a reverse correlation between the economy and collectibles, but it's a weak arguement at best, based mostly on coincidence. But I will still believe your arguement simply because I want to!! :)

Cards were a penny a pack in 1933. The depression spawned a great surge in card collecting interest. Goudey, O-Pee-Chee, World Wide Gum and others inserted cards to boost penny gum sales.

The big card companies will have to adjust,get back to basics, lower price points and move away from gimmick marketing.

Paraphrasing Karl Marx "Sports is the opiate of the masses".
 
wierd thing is i was thinking this today as well. i have noticed sales goes to states to be down as of late, where canadian sales either increased or at least leveled off. i am interested in seeing how bossa show goes in oct. i know here in the west things are good, but the rest of canada has seen differently for years, hence why i moved out here. Prices will defiantely be lower and there will be some great deals in the ebay market. Time will tell as to what happens though

jason
 
To be honest I have expected a major down swing or change in the hobby for years. I really don't think the hobby can survive at its current rate. Packs, boxes and singles are way too high especially with how flooded the market has become with similar products. The hobby has become way to expensive, its becoming increasingly difficult for young collectors and collectors who have families.

Add the troubled economy and rising prices of gas, grocery etc and it becomes even more challenging. Cards are one of the first things that will get cut from peoples budgets. I expect to see the North American economy to struggle for the next 4-5 years. I expect to see HUGE changes in the card market from the distribution standpoint and I expect to see alot of hard core oldtime collectors to stop collecting (or at least drastically cut back).
 
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When you start to see casinos close down, you'll see changes in the hobby.

The companies will push big ticket cards and collectors will line up to buy it hoping to cash in on their "investments". I'd be shocked to see any drastic changes in the hobby. Upper Deck is making money hand over fist...when I hear UD needs a bailout, I'll change my perception, until then, even those who can't afford it will remain in line.
 
I've been wondering when the hobby meltdown would come for the last decade - because "the hobby can't survive in its current form". I still think some manner of adjustment is coming - and it might be now. I've given up on crystal ball-gazing to predict the tides and fortunes of the hobby. It does what it wants.

However, there has been a slight slowdown for the last six months and I expect that it will continue. There is an economic downturn, people gots less money in their pockets an' a little fear/anxiety in their hearts - they'll clutch their money a little tighter.
 
I think that this is a start of a prolonged hobby slowdown.
Personally, I'm off of hockey wax completely. Just gonna grab the singles I want this year. (That's big change for me, who usually dabbles in most products.) I think a lot of people will be doign that this year, as economic conditions remain volatile.
 
I could care less if my investments (RRSP's) are lower today, that's a long term investment. When people start losing their jobs is when it starts to affect the money flowing in to the hobby, and I haven't seen or heard of any massive layoffs.

When I've had a bad day in the market my favorite thing is to go bust a case or two of Black at the local hobby shop. :)



Dude, your one pack doesn't qualify...
 

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