Erik Karlsson on the move?

[TheGriceBoys]

Anyone following this saga?

I’m sure most are aware of the disgusting situation involving the Karlsssons and Mike Hoffman’s fiancée and Hoffman’s subsequent trade.

Then Ottawa apparently offered EK 8 years at $10 mil per which elicited a “thanks, but not thanks” and now he’s being shopped while they can still get decent return. Sounds like the Lightning, Golden Knights and Stars are the front runners with a few other teams in the mix.

Any thoughts if he moves before the season and if so, where makes the most sense as far as Ottawa’s return? I hear the Colorado Avalanche of all teams may be a dark horse?

(Someone please edit title to Erik, damn autocorrect)

 

[coderedxm]

Would Be crazy to see Tampa Bay Have Karlsson join up with the likes of Hedman, Stamkos, Sergachev, Kucherov and so on... but they will have to give up a decent piece of the pie to be able to fit him under the cap. One of the few players who would fit that mold would be Tyler Johnson, who has a NTC and very unlikely he will bite the bullet and send himself to possibly the worst team in the league. Unless newly signed JT Miller gets sent out, but I Highly doubt Ottawa will want Miller and his 5.25Mil X 5 Year Contract.

 

[30ranfordfan]

The Avs might make a lot of sense, if they would give Ottawa's pick back to them as part of the package?? OTT & COL 2019 1sts, plus a couple of players?? (I don't know what COL's cap situation is like... 18-19 and beyond).

I had been reading as recently as this morning, to expect him to end up in Tampa. The crazy thing is - it's not even much of a stretch to see how they'd be able to fit him in. This year is pretty simple (he only makes 6.5) and let's say he gets DD money (11 x 8): They've got three guys coming off the books next year (Stralman, Cobourn, Girardi) that basically cover what his new contract would be.

If TB is willing to move forward with a blueline group consisting of EK, Hedman, McDonaugh... and three guys that make a combined 6.5(ish) - They can do it.

 

[30ranfordfan]

A package of Miller, Point, Sergachev, and a 1st is probably what it takes. Ottawa gets two players they want, and then move Miller for futures elsewhere.

They have to get some salary off the books to bring EK in, and Miller is the only one on the team making decent money, without NTC protection.

There are lots of guys like Johnson with limited NTC. If they could get a 3rd team involved - they might be able to do it like that instead.... but no way Johnson (or anyone) names Ottawa as one of the teams he'll accept a trade to.

Would Be crazy to see Tampa Bay Have Karlsson join up with the likes of Hedman, Stamkos, Sergachev, Kucherov and so on... but they will have to give up a decent piece of the pie to be able to fit him under the cap. One of the few players who would fit that mold would be Tyler Johnson, who has a NTC and very unlikely he will bite the bullet and send himself to possibly the worst team in the league. Unless newly signed JT Miller gets sent out, but I Highly doubt Ottawa will want Miller and his 5.25Mil X 5 Year Contract.

 

[Nick2317]

I don't get why Dallas would be on anyones list .......aside from 3 players on the Stars they have 0 goaltending and not much else besides the big 3 of Benn,Seguin and Klingberg.....

 

[sprague11]

Ottawa's never going to get fair value back from any of those teams. Most big name players have a NMC and I'm guessing Ottawa is on several of those lists. Throwing Bobby Ryan into the mix significantly lowers what the Sens will get in return as well.

Would assume that the Avs or Lightning could put together the best packages of roster players and young guys, but Vegas did have a ton of first round picks in 2017.

I'll throw out Karlsson to the Av's for Alex Kerfoot, JT Compher, Tyson Barrie, and Colorado's 1st round pick in 2019, because it doesn't seem any crazier than what the Sens will probably get in return. Though the Avs could give back Ottawa's first round pick as thanks for getting away from Matt Duchene

 

[coderedxm]

A package of Miller, Point, Sergachev, and a 1st is probably what it takes. Ottawa gets two players they want, and then move Miller for futures elsewhere.

They have to get some salary off the books to bring EK in, and Miller is the only one on the team making decent money, without NTC protection.

There are lots of guys like Johnson with limited NTC. If they could get a 3rd team involved - they might be able to do it like that instead.... but no way Johnson (or anyone) names Ottawa as one of the teams he'll accept a trade to.

I was thinking maybe a three way deal to really make this work with the Limited NTC. I have a hard time seeing both; Serg and Point being traded, there is a possibility of one. Miller to be thrown in for needed skill in Ottawa, and cap dump for TB and maybe a 1st Rounder, which really will equate to 25-31st overall, so no big lose there.

Hopefully see what happens soon, as the talks are seeming to get more intense.

 

[30ranfordfan]

I may be over valuing what they'll get - but I would expect Sergachev to be part of any EK to TB deal... and I would expect Ottawa to want Point as well. Keeping him out MIGHT be doable, if the other pieces are good for Ottawa.

If a 3rd team would come along and offer "young / good roster player + 2019 1st" for Tyler Johnson, and that team is on his list.....

Say the Isles would trade Anthony Beauvillier & a 1st for Tyler Johnson, and he'd take a trade to New York (I think both things are stretches... but I need a hypothetical):

To NYI: Tyler Johnson
To TB: EK
To OTT: Sergachev, Beauvillier, NYI 1st, TB 1st.

That might do it too.

Sergachev, IMO, has to be part of the package. For one: TB needs to clear room on their blueline for EK... and the other 5 all have (at least) limited NT protection. While you'd like Sergachev over (at least) 3 of the other guys - it's not realistic.

Plus, Ottawa will insist on at least one "already in the NHL" young, rising, player. Plugging Sergachev into the hole that EK creates on their blueline just makes too much sense.

I was thinking maybe a three way deal to really make this work with the Limited NTC. I have a hard time seeing both; Serg and Point being traded, there is a possibility of one. Miller to be thrown in for needed skill in Ottawa, and cap dump for TB and maybe a 1st Rounder, which really will equate to 25-31st overall, so no big lose there.

Hopefully see what happens soon, as the talks are seeming to get more intense.

 

[cygnusx1]

I'm an Ottawa fan and I'd just like to see Erik Karlsson happy. What a mess this franchise is

 

[Kharlamov17]

I don't get why Dallas would be on anyones list .......aside from 3 players on the Stars they have 0 goaltending and not much else besides the big 3 of Benn,Seguin and Klingberg.....

Khudobin will finally get his chance to lead a team. I'd take him over half of the leagues starting goaltenders.

 

[trekrun]

From what I've read, Ottawa is taking offers on Erik Karlsson straight up OR who wants Bobby Ryan as a package, TWO scenarios?
That is where the split is among the interested parties!

 

[rvelligan]

I don't get why Dallas would be on anyones list .......aside from 3 players on the Stars they have 0 goaltending and not much else besides the big 3 of Benn,Seguin and Klingberg.....

No State Tax. Heard on the radio today that Spezza going to Dallas gave him an extra $400K per season on his contract.

 

[Benn14StarsFan]

Rumor has it Dallas won't give up Heiskanen...I wouldn't neither....to get Karlsson. They're not out of the picture just yet though. I'd send Spezza back to the Sens in a package...with Honka, Heatherington, & a conditional 2nd Rd pick. Honka can be better than he is...dances around too much with the puck at times though. Least with Spezza they can have a familiar face.

As for wanting to come to Texas...Bishop came. Seguin came. Spezza came. Radulov came. No slouches there. If it weren't for someone falling on Bishop's knee & putting him out for a month...the Stars probably would've made the playoffs. Last I recall wasn't he Vezina Finalist twice? "They have 0 goaltending"....I can cancel my Comedy Central now because that's funny! Bishop was top 10 in almost every category till he got hurt. Khudobin will be a much better backup than Lehtonen. Oh...can't forget about Faksa & Pitlick will still be together...awesome 3rd line shutdown duo that took on the top lines from every team. Faksa was one of the best faceoff winners in the league. Put Comeau on that line.

Plus Texas has the best barbecue!....... (mic drop)

 

[canucksfreak19]

Travis Yost has reported that Tampa is trying to pull in a third team to take on some salary. There are 10 players on Tampa that have some version of a NTC/NMC and you have to think that all 10 would have Ottawa on the veto list.

 

[tiger tiger]

Anyone following this saga?

I’m sure most are aware of the disgusting situation involving the Karlsssons and Mike Hoffman’s fiancée and Hoffman’s subsequent trade.

Then Ottawa apparently offered EK 8 years at $10 mil per which elicited a “thanks, but not thanks” and now he’s being shopped while they can still get decent return. Sounds like the Lightning, Golden Knights and Stars are the front runners with a few other teams in the mix.

Any thoughts if he moves before the season and if so, where makes the most sense as far as Ottawa’s return? I hear the Colorado Avalanche of all teams may be a dark horse?

(Someone please edit title to Erik, damn autocorrect)

Basically Ottawa asked for a hometown discount, although EK has gone on record saying that he wants market value. And with Doughty getting $11M per year (with his original team), EK at minimum would get that much.

Letting teams talk to EK is a bit of a gamble. Basically other teams are able to find out information, which could hurt the trade return.

Dallas emerged as the front runner for EK. I would assume they offered the most money. Let's say Vegas offered $11M, and Dallas' offer was higher. Vegas now has a ball park number on which to evaluate the likelihood of teams being able to actually sign EK to that contract. The process also gives Dallas a lot of info too, like what the asking price would be in trade.

Once teams have an idea of what EK is asking for, it drastically reduces some teams chances of actually being able to sign EK long term. Boston, Tampa, SJ and Columbus, and even Dallas would have to move some major contracts to make room. Only Vegas and NYR have enough cap room without having to make a major move or engage in a 3 way trade.

Now with Dallas balking at the asking price, and possibly a few other teams realizing that EK is out of their price range, then it leaves only a couple of teams that can actually pull this off. So with less buyers, it becomes a buyers market for the remaining interested teams.

Dallas is going to roll the dice and not give up 1st r picks and Heiskinen in a trade, and see if EK only gets used as a rental player. Then they can sign EK for just money and not give up anything. Vegas could be thinking the same thing. They're hoping that other teams will fill their roster up with contracts and leave just them with the cap space to go after EK July 1

Tampa could be the most aggressive, since they do have a lot of prospects in the cupboard, but have contracts to unload. However, they do not have 1st round picks available in 2019 (conditionally held by NYR in McDonagh trade).

I'm not sure Ottawa would want to take some of those expiring contracts unless Bobby Ryan's contract gets moved along with it. So it's super complicated, and by no means a no-brainer for Stevie Y.

If this doesn't get done by the start of the season, all Ottawa is going to get in return is a rental rate, with a potential upgrade if EK signs an extension, which no matter how you slice it, will look bad for the Sens.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[tiger tiger]

Travis Yost has reported that Tampa is trying to pull in a third team to take on some salary. There are 10 players on Tampa that have some version of a NTC/NMC and you have to think that all 10 would have Ottawa on the veto list.

Girardi has a NTC. Callahan, Coburn, and Stralman have a limited NTC. They submit a list of 16 teams they can be traded to.

What would be funny if Vegas turns into that team that gets the deal done. They'd pick up some decent players on short term contracts, and possibly get picks or decent prospects to take the contracts.

I really hope Sergachev is not part of the deal.

 

[canucksfreak19]

Girardi has a NTC. Callahan, Coburn, and Stralman have a limited NTC. They submit a list of 16 teams they can be traded to.

What would be funny if Vegas turns into that team that gets the deal done. They'd pick up some decent players on short term contracts, and possibly get picks or decent prospects to take the contracts.

I really hope Sergachev is not part of the deal.

As well as Johnson (who would've made sense to put in a deal), Palat, Killorn, not to mention their actual stars.

If I'm Ottawa Sergachev or Point would have to be the key piece to come back. There was a time when, if I were Ottawa, I would've needed both, but they waited too long to make this trade. As time goes on the return gets smaller and smaller.

 

[oasis]

Ive thought all along that he would end up with the Knights, Mcphee will get the deal done and sign him long term!

 

[30ranfordfan]

Girardi has a NTC. Callahan, Coburn, and Stralman have a limited NTC. They submit a list of 16 teams they can be traded to.

What would be funny if Vegas turns into that team that gets the deal done. They'd pick up some decent players on short term contracts, and possibly get picks or decent prospects to take the contracts.

I really hope Sergachev is not part of the deal.

As well as Johnson (who would've made sense to put in a deal), Palat, Killorn, not to mention their actual stars.

If I'm Ottawa Sergachev or Point would have to be the key piece to come back. There was a time when, if I were Ottawa, I would've needed both, but they waited too long to make this trade. As time goes on the return gets smaller and smaller.

Callahan to the Rangers, apparently, is now a thing.... to facilitate the trade.

I do think that either Point or Sergachev have to be going back to OTT in this deal... and probably Sergachev.

Tampa (likely) needs to move one of the following players to make the salaries work in 18-19:

Stamkos, Callahan, Palat, Miller, Johnson, Kucherov, Killorn, Hedman, McDonagh, Stralman, Coburn, Girardi

Girardi probably doesn't work, he doesn't make quite enough $$$ so the cap savings won't be good enough.

Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov - not happening.

McDounagh & Miller JUST resigned, not happening.

So I think that really does leave one of Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Stralman, Coburn to be traded to make it work immediately.

Stralman & Coburn (along with Girardi) have expiring contracts. To me it makes more sense to keep those guys - because letting them walk is how you save $$$ to afford EK next year. Their combined salaries + EK's current 6.5, will be plenty of cash to afford EK's new deal, and 3 other reasonable dmen (especially if 1 or more is on an ELC).

That leaves Callahan, Palat, Johnson, Killorn as the group of players where one has to be moved immediately. They've all got some kind of NT protection, so a 3rd team is going to have to come into play.

 

[pathshot]

By the time this is done, all 31 teams will be involved in the deal, and Bobby Ryan will be the last member of the Ottawa Senators.

Whatever you think of social media, you cannot ignore the power. The core of the team is being torn out over harassment of their franchise player and family enduring one of the greatest tragedies a family can face. Let's try not to lose track of that among the hypothetical trades - the Karlssons need somewhere they can start over. With the alleged source of the harassment being so close to the team, and then asking for a "hometown discount", you really can't blame him for wanting to get the hell out of Dodge.