fake "IP" autos

[Hoovermac]

I am one of those guys who could do a fake signature with 5 minutes of practice. Would I ever do it? Hell no. However, I sometimes "autograph" looseleaf, and scrap paper when I am bored.

On the current topic, I'd say they're fake. Some of them look almost perfect, but IMO, the Yzerman, Brodeur, and Luongo are off quite a bit. If he has three fakes, I think that's enough to say they're mostly fake.

 

[Rraincock]

I think people that sell in person "IP" autos suck. Honestly, if you meet the guy, keep his freaking auto for yourself or give it to your kid. That is where my Richard autos are going! That is where my Lanny McDonald autos are going!

There are tons and tons of products out there now. Almost every living hockey player of note has had an auto card from an NHL and NAHLPA recognized product. Why pay $30 for an Yzerman IP auto when you can get one that YOU KNOW IS REAL from UD for what... $80?

What is sad is that I would imagine that 95% of all the fake IP autos go to people who aren't even collectors. People who stop into a shop (or on eBay) and want to buy a card of little Jimmy's hero... or something for their old man on Fathers Day.


p.s. If anyone wants my autograph, I would be happy to provide a certificate of authenticity. It is even signed. I have a photo of me signing it while I took a photo of me signing the COA for the signature in the mirror. Oh, and I have photo matched the photo of me signing the COA to a photo of the COA.

... and it is Gem Mint.

 

[blade]

There are tons and tons of products out there now. Almost every living hockey player of note has had an auto card from an NHL and NAHLPA recognized product. Why pay $30 for an Yzerman IP auto when you can get one that YOU KNOW IS REAL from UD for what... $80?

How do you really know that it's real?

Seriously, they send the cards to the players and the players mail them back. Does anyone know who signed the cards. It's like when I get autos TTM. What's the difference?


AJ

 

[slave13]

You have to have faith in the system in that case. Upperdeck is certifying that the autograph is in fact real. They open themselves up to fraud charges if it is not. I get alot of IP autographs too. Mostly, I keep them, but the odd time I sell them. I have also purchased some from other guys that do the same thing. Sometimes, I have gotten a pristine auto IP. Malkin on the red carpet at the NHL awards in 2008 gave me the best auto I have ever seen of his on a jersey. Jarome Iginla's signature IP is the same as his certified stuff. Same with Luongo. Some of the better signers, really take their time even with hordes of fans. Some guys just have a quick sloppy signature anyway regardless. I can't say whether or not those graphs are fake. However, I think the guy needs a kick in the rear for getting Crosby on an index card. Seriously, if you are going to get Sid, you better have a jersey or 8x10 at the very least.

 

[Tripredacus]

Fake autos are one thing, but unknown autos are another. I buy cards like this often, but using certain rules:

1. Do not buy from sellers under 1000 feedback, power seller or store
2. Do not big more than $2

Even if he is faking the autos, he is in it for a profit if that is the case. If they are fake and none of them ever sell for over $2, then it will soon be figured out that it isn't worth the effort to do them.

This is even true for those cards that come with COAs. Most of them turn out to be a little sheet of paper that the guy or the dealer made up. That doesn't mean they are fake, but if it doesn't have a hologram on it, or the COA is part of the card (like certified autos) or the card isn't a parallel (like 97-98 Pinnacle BAP, silver vs gold) then I use those above rules.

So what if I end up having cards with fake autos, then I'm out a couple bucks? No problem for me. The seller also ends up getting shafted because of the listing fees and my buying price are so close.