Fellow HI members, if youve got my back please look!

That is one long read of three pages...I tried to read as much as I could..anyone who deals with jersey cards should realize there are going to be strees marks from inserting the jersey. I remember when I got my first jersey card thinking that is odd it is bent but makes sense after looking at so many of them. Rather then focus on what Beckett people had to say I think the card looks fine in the orginal scan I can see where he did the circles the same marks on both cards but those are not from a person bending the card. As for the top loader in that condition makes no sense to me, I don't care if that card is shipping to the north pole and back to you via someone walking with it, a bubble mailer will absorb the beating and that why there is bubble wrap on inside...even with that said wish I could see the bubble mailer but if asked I am sure the buyer would beat the heck out of that as well. The odd thing is looking at the link you provided in one of the post is the buyer has 0 neg. feedback that does not answer anything but atleast he is not trying to go around scamming people. I don't know what to do on this one he is obv. not happy and you did nothing to mislead him. Historyofball I think finally saw where you coming from as he started to rethink what he had said in first page of post vs. second page of post. holy cow though that was a long read and knowing me I probably missed a lot of good info. My ruling is for the seller....as if that counts for anything lol. jason
 
If he gave you positive feedback like Chilly said he did then it shouldnt be a problem, plus I mean no matter what everyone knows they examine the scan of the card before they buy the card, so I think you're totally right paul, and he should not get his money back....
 
I dont disagree with you, but my feeling is paypal will side with the buyer and someone stated this somewhere. Insurance is not the responsibility of the buyer it is the sellers, and that is per paypal. I think this guy had buyers remorse and is trying to get out of the sale.
 
I don't know. Just because you had nothing to do with the damage, doesn't mean it isn't damaged. And a high-res scan is good, but it's not fool-proof. Personally, I know my monitor is very dark, and doesn't accurately display some colours.

A card damaged out of the pack is still damaged, and it is best to describe it as such.
 
Thanks guys, well it looks like I shouldnt have posted my question on the beckett boards, its hard for little kids to hold a professional conversation on the boards.

Thanks for agreeing with me, some are trying to make me look like a crook, like I was trying to sneak one over on the guy. But it all boils down to the fact that he bid, he was not forced to bid, if he had any questions or doubts he could have contacted me before bidding. So he bids, gets the card and somehow its "damaged", but oddly enough the "damage" is exactly the same as shown in my original scan given before the card was shipped. As dherm said, I think he realized he overpaid and now is trying to back out the hard way, I just hate how people on those boards cannot understand that, I was not trying to trick anyone, the scan was there, if I was trying to trick people I wouldnt have posted a scan, or I would have photoshopped out the stress marks!

We'll see what happens, im sure Paypal will rule in his favor but what happens then? My account cant be closed since im arguing the claim right? Ive never had this happen, I emailed the buyer, hopefully we can mutually work something out.
 
leafschik1967 said:
I don't know. Just because you had nothing to do with the damage, doesn't mean it isn't damaged. And a high-res scan is good, but it's not fool-proof. Personally, I know my monitor is very dark, and doesn't accurately display some colours.

A card damaged out of the pack is still damaged, and it is best to describe it as such.
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I dont view that as damage at all though, on these type of cards, it is typical and the card should not have to be scrutinized and listed that way, I posted the scan should be enough, and if it wasnt enough the seller didnt have to rely on the scan, he could have emailed me before bidding knowing he was unsure. But that all wouldnt matter, he is arguing it was damaged in transit, which is impossible since the "damage" he shows is exactly the same as in my scan before shipping!

Just wayyy too odd for me and im not sure how to handle this exactly! Normally if it was something cheaper I would just refund, but I get a funny feeling and I am not going to be a pawn here...a little to fishy to me...
 
they wont close you account and if you dont have money in the account they will award him saying hes right but wont get anything.

I have had the opposite side of this. Purchased something never received the item along with about 100 others, paypal said they ruled in our favor but no funds available so I was out of luck with them. I filed with the CC company and they reversed the charges because the proof and other claimants.
 
Paul, I think I'm on your side. Even though you should have shared the fact that there are dents on the card, it's really the buyers' problem. He saw the scan, he bid on the card, he is obliged to pay. Next time though you should let everyone know what's up with the condition and such.
 
Brendan, Next time I will, but I dont consider that to be a factor, especially on a patch card, its factory creases, you wont find anothe rlike this without those marks, but I understand what you mean.
 
Well see even if you don't see it as a factor, many others do and it affect's many other people's perspective on a card, including mine.
 
It is damage though. The card isn't mint. That means it is damaged in some way. Some cards typically have soft corners, or rough edges, but they aren't considered mint.

I see your point, but people are saying they have cards that don't show these types of marks, then it is a problem with the card you had. And that is damage, by most standards.
 
How can you expect a buyer to tell that those are creases? They could have come from the scanner or the toploader. You should have been honest in the description.
 
Its not about being honest or not, I do not believe those creases needed to be noted, as they are created by the card itself and visible clearly in the scan, anyone who would think that is on the case is blind or Mr. Magoo, if the buyer had any doubts he would email me right? Not trying to trick anyone but the scan stands for itself. Its a high resolution scan, perfectly clear, anyone who cant decipher creases from scratches is blind, and either way there is an "Ask the seller a question function" which can be used before the "Bid Now" button is pressed.
 
You did not mention the creases in the auction. The card is damaged, whether it came from the factory that way or not. You are saying that because it came out of the pack that way, then it cannot be termed as damage. What about cards that come out of the packs with chipping, dented corners or wrinkled edges from the sealer? Damage is damage, whether it occurred from the factory or not. You neglected to mention it in the auction , hi-res scan notwithstanding, therefore you are at fault, and the buyer deserves to have it resolved to his satisfaction.

Sorry, I side with the buyer on this one.....
 
Thanks for your input, however, those two small creases are stress marks from the patch, they are not chips, dinged corners, etc. They are caused by the patch itself, meaning there is no way they would not be there with that type of patch. With that said it cannot be considered damaged as there would be no "undamaged" version. I guess its opinion against opinion on this one. The main issue is the buyer said the card was damaged from shipping, when in fact those marks are exactly the same in the before and after scan, and the seller noted those marks as the only damage, thats a very odd call on his part dont you think?
 
I think you've made up your mind. Damage is damage. And on the Beckett post, there are people who say they have undamaged versions, and you admit that it is possible. If a 1/1 has a dinged corner, the corner is still dinged, even though there is no "undamaged" version.
 
I didn’t waste my time reading what all the people on beckett had to say, but if he didn’t buy insurance and he was given the option then you should not be held responsible.
 
NoFlyZone said:
I didn’t waste my time reading what all the people on beckett had to say, but if he didn’t buy insurance and he was given the option then you should not be held responsible.
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Right, he should not be held responsible for the plastic case which was broken during shipment. But, he should be held resposible for selling a card that was creased BEFORE the item was purchased, and not putting it in the description.
 

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