wingnut888
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I was more talking about the pp's the Wings got Kevin. I do agree with sending one on each side off if things get out of hand. I just like the flow more the first 2 periods than the last 5 to 10 min of the 3rd.
GDT: Detroit @ Vancouver - Dec 21st
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I was more talking about the pp's the Wings got Kevin. I do agree with sending one on each side off if things get out of hand. I just like the flow more the first 2 periods than the last 5 to 10 min of the 3rd.
kmitchel
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Ahh, okies - if that's the case - certainly, pocket the whistles but apparently both teams are complaining about the reffing on the ice in the last 25 minutes or so.
Kevin
canucksfreak19
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Awesome game, I too would love to see these two teams meet in the playoffs. This is how hockey should be. Two super talented teams that can skate great.
wingnut888
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I think both teams looked at it as a measuring stick and it showed on the ice. Wings still need some pieces as I think the Canucks still are the best in the west. Wings have the cap space it's just a matter of making a good move. Nucks just need to stay healthy and they look like the team to beat again to me.
kmitchel
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See, that's odd - I think the Wings are the best in the West right now, and think the Canucks are the team that need to make a move (as well as stay healthy).
MMarch
One Man Wolfpack, ,
You both keep thinking that........ 
tiger tiger
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I was at the game. Fortunate enough to get invited by my buddy. Then even more fortunate to have my business partner hook us up into the corporate luxury box.
Very good game. Some great hockey.
Refs let some stuff go which was a bit iffy, but tried to make it up by letting it go for the other team. i.e. Bertuzzi pushing Salo into Luongo, Zetterberg pushing Raymond into Howard. Could have been evening out for giving Kesler a roughing penalty but nothing for Kronwall for leaving his feet.
But even if there wasn't a goal, I agree that if you call Kesler, then you have to call Howard. Bieksa's penalty was iffy.
Regarding Kronwall's hit, IMO (I'm a little borderline still though) , leaving your skates and jumping up should be a roughing penalty. Doesn't matter if you turn your back to make the hit. You can still slam Kesler's head into the glass with that type of hit. Because Kronwall turns his back he can't control the point of impact. He'll argue that he wasn't aiming for the head. That's why he'll continue to get away with similar hits, but I think Shanny should call him to warn him about such hits.
If you let stuff like that go, then players can just close their eyes, wave their sticks around and say that the didn't mean to hit anyone.
Very good game. Some great hockey.
Refs let some stuff go which was a bit iffy, but tried to make it up by letting it go for the other team. i.e. Bertuzzi pushing Salo into Luongo, Zetterberg pushing Raymond into Howard. Could have been evening out for giving Kesler a roughing penalty but nothing for Kronwall for leaving his feet.
But even if there wasn't a goal, I agree that if you call Kesler, then you have to call Howard. Bieksa's penalty was iffy.
Regarding Kronwall's hit, IMO (I'm a little borderline still though) , leaving your skates and jumping up should be a roughing penalty. Doesn't matter if you turn your back to make the hit. You can still slam Kesler's head into the glass with that type of hit. Because Kronwall turns his back he can't control the point of impact. He'll argue that he wasn't aiming for the head. That's why he'll continue to get away with similar hits, but I think Shanny should call him to warn him about such hits.
If you let stuff like that go, then players can just close their eyes, wave their sticks around and say that the didn't mean to hit anyone.
tiger tiger
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You both keep thinking that........
Best in the West: Vancouver, Wings, Hawks. Going to be a great western conference finals.
Great game for the Canucks - and they deserved to win. Luongo was very good and made one huge save at the end there - the save on Datsyuk was made to look better than it was. The Wings were caught flat-footed in the 1st and they looked awful. The Canucks flew on the ice - and they looked great. Really what this looks like is watching near mirror images of the same team - and from a Wings perspective it wasn't fun - LOL!
As far as the Kronwall hit - I see it two ways. Yep - he launches into Kesler, but he does it with his butt and not the force of his shoulders. I'm telling you right now - had Kronwall not gone for the hip check and hit Kesler straight on he would be in never-never land. When Kronwall takes the time to turn his body backward he does two things - first he kills a little bit of his momentum into Kesler. second he hits Kesler in the midsection and not the upper torso leading into the head.
Kesler was a sitting duck and he had control of the puck. And there was no danger of Kesler hitting the glass as tiger tiger says above - but I had the luxury of repeated looks on the DVR.
As far as karma for the short handed goal........ this game was won on that tally. And had it been a non-shorthanded situation I am pretty sure that Edler would have been called for obstruction on Zetterberg to free up Hansen . On the replay's you can clearly see Edler impeding Zetty as he chases Hansen.
Clearly the Canucks are in the group at the top of the West and Luongo is playing much better than he started the year. It is startling to see a team play the Red Wing's game better than they play it - but Vancouver did tonight. They consistently moved the puck out of trouble to a winger with momentum going up ice. I think for the most part the officials let the teams play - and Jimmy Howard needs to quit over-reacting on the traffic in front of and into him.
As far as the Kronwall hit - I see it two ways. Yep - he launches into Kesler, but he does it with his butt and not the force of his shoulders. I'm telling you right now - had Kronwall not gone for the hip check and hit Kesler straight on he would be in never-never land. When Kronwall takes the time to turn his body backward he does two things - first he kills a little bit of his momentum into Kesler. second he hits Kesler in the midsection and not the upper torso leading into the head.
Kesler was a sitting duck and he had control of the puck. And there was no danger of Kesler hitting the glass as tiger tiger says above - but I had the luxury of repeated looks on the DVR.
As far as karma for the short handed goal........ this game was won on that tally. And had it been a non-shorthanded situation I am pretty sure that Edler would have been called for obstruction on Zetterberg to free up Hansen . On the replay's you can clearly see Edler impeding Zetty as he chases Hansen.
Clearly the Canucks are in the group at the top of the West and Luongo is playing much better than he started the year. It is startling to see a team play the Red Wing's game better than they play it - but Vancouver did tonight. They consistently moved the puck out of trouble to a winger with momentum going up ice. I think for the most part the officials let the teams play - and Jimmy Howard needs to quit over-reacting on the traffic in front of and into him.
Orca Pod
Bitter, Jaded & Disillusioned!,
Wow. A GDT without everyone complaining or flying off the handle, or arguing 'immaturely' about every call/non-call. Hell, even the one 'non-game' post was okay (the 'Hawks are definitely the team to beat in the West IMO).
See? It can be done.
See? It can be done.
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JohnnyDrama
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Not with certain teams in the East involved.
Wickabee
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I didn't think the Kronwall hit should have been a penalty until the third slow-motion replay, so I totally get why it wasn't called on the ice.
Last season these two teams used a late December game as a measuring stick. After that game everyone was calling for a Detroit/Vancouver western final, so don't get too excited yet.
What I'm very happy with is (my pick for) the best game of the season followed by a trouncing of a team the embarrassed Van earlier this season followed by the second most entertaining Canucks game this season.
I hope this trend holds!
Last season these two teams used a late December game as a measuring stick. After that game everyone was calling for a Detroit/Vancouver western final, so don't get too excited yet.
What I'm very happy with is (my pick for) the best game of the season followed by a trouncing of a team the embarrassed Van earlier this season followed by the second most entertaining Canucks game this season.
I hope this trend holds!
chadsexington
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I wasn't aware the Kronwall hit was up for disciplinary action. Yeah it wasn't a legal hit, but Iceman King Parsons never hurt anybody using the butt butt in 30 years of pro wrestling and he did it better than Kronwall ever did.
I didn't think this would warrant a fine/suspension either.
I didn't think this would warrant a fine/suspension either.
I don't think that he is up for disciplinary review or action at all ?????????
The notion that a barely illegal hit - if at all warrants, in Ryan Kessler's opinion, that Kronwall drop the gloves shows what is wrong with the players mentality these days.
Kesler - wether Kronwall hit was illegal or not - left himself in a most vulnerable position... and then is ticked off that the player that stepped into him won't drop the gloves.
Too many big hits are followed by a player or teammates seeking retribution for the action. Never mind that many are perfectly legal hits - these players think they need to
seek some kind of street corner justice for an action that occured due to their being un-aware of the opposing players position.
The notion that a barely illegal hit - if at all warrants, in Ryan Kessler's opinion, that Kronwall drop the gloves shows what is wrong with the players mentality these days.
Kesler - wether Kronwall hit was illegal or not - left himself in a most vulnerable position... and then is ticked off that the player that stepped into him won't drop the gloves.
Too many big hits are followed by a player or teammates seeking retribution for the action. Never mind that many are perfectly legal hits - these players think they need to
seek some kind of street corner justice for an action that occured due to their being un-aware of the opposing players position.
wingnut888
Verified Trader,
According to Mlive Shanahan has already told Ken Holland that no action will be taken.
MMarch
One Man Wolfpack, ,
Not sure what to think about this specific hit, but if this is not a penalty, I think a lot of guys who like to play on or just over the line learned a new trick. If you want to jump in to someone when you hit them, just turn your back and it's all good.
Orca Pod
Bitter, Jaded & Disillusioned!,
This one can also go with the 'if the goalie is trying to beat you to the puck when he is not in his crease, don't make any effort to avoid bowling him over' trick that players seem to already have taken a shine to.
chadsexington
Registered User
I heard it was going to be reviewed by the NHL Bruce, and I don't know why it would be. Yeah Kronwall should've been penalized too, but what's done is done.
The whole thing to me was dead as soon as Kesler was (rightfully) given a penalty for dropping his gloves.
Nobody was hurt, there was no intent to injure on the play...just a dumb idea of finishing a check. If you somehow get injured running into a jumping dude's padded butt with very little momentum behind either party, you've got bigger problems. He'd have been hurt worse had Kronwall stayed on his feet since Kronwall looked to hit him from a pretty strange angle.
I didn't have a problem with Kesler making a run after him though as boneheaded as it was...emotions were already pretty tense, and people have a tendency to do stupid things when circumstances like that continue to perpetuate what had already been going on the last hour or so.
When the leaving your feet rule was implemented - it was directed to players 'launching' themselves into their opponent. When they left their feet they were targeting the upper torso - and unfortunately that led to a lot of head shots. Kronwall - while in slow motion - is clearly off his blades - yet by turning to his back is delivering a clear body blow. He could have taken Kesler out - he had him lined up - yet he delived the hit that, while forceful,
would rarely lead to any injury.
That says volumes ...... - and if other players did the same - there would be a lot less dangerous hits...... after all - it is pretty hard to get your backside up around someone':beer:s head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chadsexington
Registered User
Thing is Bruce...there's no varying shades of illegality. Either something's illegal or not illegal in a named consequences rulebook. Just because a player leaves his feet at a different angle that wouldn't injure his opponent doesn't negate the fact that he still left his feet. It doesn't make it any less legal...just makes him a nicer guy for not wanting to injure his opponent.
It's not "ok" that Kronwall left his feet to check Kesler, just like it wasn't ok that Kesler chased after him with his gloves off. Even if Kesler took only one glove off and tried to fight Kronwall, it'd still be a penalty against him because it was implied he was taking his gloves off to fight/retaliate against someone who didn't want to fight him back.
Look at Sedin's tripping penalty near the end - That wasn't as bad of a trip as other tripping calls because the blade of his stick didn't impede his opponent that much...but it did it enough that it was against the rules. He still deserved a penalty and got one.
