Hamilton Thrashers?

ironically enough, i think Theres a better chance of the thrashers moving here to hamilton then the yotes, if only as a big (insert a particular finger here) to Balsillie from Bettman lol.
 
Unless I'm completely missing something, why the hell would ANYONE want to move a team to Hamilton? The economy sucks, the unemployment rate is one of the highest around...the only reason I could think of anyone spending that amount of money on a team to move them to Hamilton is that the province or SOMEONE is offering a tax credit or some crazy incentive in a bid to stimulate Hamilton's economy. Other than that, all of this talk about moving a team to Hamilton makes little to no sense.
 
well.. yes, the economy is in the dumps, unemployment is high, yet, its a goldmine. its a guaruntee 110% sell out financial success. noone actually cares about the economy status per say of Hamilton, they care about the 7 million people surrounding hamilton, and the fact that it allready has an arena (allthough will need upgrades) and that 95% of the ppl who want leafs tickets, cant get them. a team in Hamilton immediatly becomes the second most profitable. so what do the other "numbers" matter?



Unless I'm completely missing something, why the hell would ANYONE want to move a team to Hamilton? The economy sucks, the unemployment rate is one of the highest around...the only reason I could think of anyone spending that amount of money on a team to move them to Hamilton is that the province or SOMEONE is offering a tax credit or some crazy incentive in a bid to stimulate Hamilton's economy. Other than that, all of this talk about moving a team to Hamilton makes little to no sense.
 
Are the Thrashers even up for sale? Sounds to me like a bunch of business men trying to stir the pot and get their name out there, just like those Quebecois dolts that claim they want to buy the Habs but have virtually no backing...
 
well.. yes, the economy is in the dumps, unemployment is high, yet, its a goldmine. its a guaruntee 110% sell out financial success. noone actually cares about the economy status per say of Hamilton, they care about the 7 million people surrounding hamilton, and the fact that it allready has an arena (allthough will need upgrades) and that 95% of the ppl who want leafs tickets, cant get them. a team in Hamilton immediatly becomes the second most profitable. so what do the other "numbers" matter?

I always find this statement about the 7 million people intriguing. Granted, I only personally know about 250 people who are hockey fans in the GTA (where most of this '7 million' is) and can tell you beyond a doubt that only 4 or 5 of them would ever consider driving to Hamilton to see a game. Heck, I would be willing to say at least 225 of them haven't been past Oakville in the last five years, let alone been to Hamilton. I have a close friend in Toronto, who, a few years back, went with me to Niagara Falls when I was in town. Afterwards, he said that was cool, and that he hadn't been there in over 25 years. And he's lived in the GTA all his life. Say what you will, but I would be willing to bet the majority of GTA people would never consider driving to Hamilton to see a game.
 
Are the Thrashers even up for sale? Sounds to me like a bunch of business men trying to stir the pot and get their name out there, just like those Quebecois dolts that claim they want to buy the Habs but have virtually no backing...

just so you know. Gaglardi is not just 'some businessman' trying to put his name out there. He (along with Beaddie) almost owned the Canucks at one point. He's got the coin, and he has the friends in the right places. What I find curious is the players in the group. Isn't there a conflict of interest? It's a bit different from Lemieux's situation.

regardless, I think there is no way Bettman will allow one of his expansion franchises to move, especially to Hamilton.
 
well.. yes, the economy is in the dumps, unemployment is high, yet, its a goldmine. its a guaruntee 110% sell out financial success. noone actually cares about the economy status per say of Hamilton, they care about the 7 million people surrounding hamilton, and the fact that it allready has an arena (allthough will need upgrades) and that 95% of the ppl who want leafs tickets, cant get them. a team in Hamilton immediatly becomes the second most profitable. so what do the other "numbers" matter?

If it will be the surrounding population that comes into Hamilton for these games, then why put one there? Seems stupid. IF a team winds up in Hamilton, I agree, Niagara Falls, Oakville, Burlington, Mississauga and Toronto will be the ones filling that building and it won't be long before they stop simply because Hamilton isn't what she used to be.

On top of that, any team moving there will have to do MAJOR overhauls to Copps Coliseum. That arena is in worse decay that Maple Leaf Gardens was in her last years. Why spend good money after bad? Build a new arena in a populous area and draw not only the NHL crowd, but other events that people will not have a problem coming to.

Any team being relocated will wind up in Kitchener/Waterloo or the GTA. Balsillie (or anyone with the money) would be an idiot to put his team in Hamilton.
 
Why wont the league just concede that their product is nto in enough of a demand to allow for 30 teams?? Its simple. Supply and demand. theres a vast supply of NHL hockey, and a weak demand. So do what anyother good business man would do, and lower the supply.
 
Unless I'm completely missing something, why the hell would ANYONE want to move a team to Hamilton? The economy sucks, the unemployment rate is one of the highest around...the only reason I could think of anyone spending that amount of money on a team to move them to Hamilton is that the province or SOMEONE is offering a tax credit or some crazy incentive in a bid to stimulate Hamilton's economy. Other than that, all of this talk about moving a team to Hamilton makes little to no sense.
I have to wonder about that too. Though I'd love another team in Canada, is Hamilton really a good option?
 
Why wont the league just concede that their product is nto in enough of a demand to allow for 30 teams?? Its simple. Supply and demand. theres a vast supply of NHL hockey, and a weak demand. So do what anyother good business man would do, and lower the supply.

Bettman's dream (and the owners' dream) is that hockey will somehow, someday become the international game that basketball is. For example, take the big announcement of games being broadcast on Asian TV last year, like that was going to somehow result in every kid in China wearing Sean Avery jerseys and carrying their Anze Kopitar lunchkit to school. I laughed out loud when I heard it, but people on here thought it was a great idea to get people in Asia interested in hockey, like they would ever give a crap about this game.

It will remain a dream, but they are not going to give up easily.

If Phoenix goes, it takes away a regional rival for a future US team, like Las Vegas. They want a team in Vegas. Then the dream expands. Now kids in the dessert are buying hockey cards and playing in the sand with their Sidney Crosby skateboard or Alex Ovechkin water bottle.

It is a joke. The game is played on ice, and yes, it finds some people who have never walked on ice, but for the most part, people in those areas see it as a novelty at best.

There is no point in moving to Hamilton, because kids in Hamilton already have a handful of hockey cards and their Ottawa Senators light switch.

They keep hockey away from current fans in order to keep the dream of world domination alive. I hate it, personally.
 
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Bettman's dream (and the owners' dream) is that hockey will somehow, someday become the international game that basketball is. For example, take the big announcement of games being broadcast on Asian TV last year, like that was going to somehow result in every kid in China wearing Sean Avery jerseys and carrying their Anze Kopitar lunchkit to school. I laughed out loud when I heard it, but people on here thought it was a great idea to get people in Asia interested in hockey, like they would ever give a crap about this game.

It will remain a dream, but they are not going to give up easily.

If Phoenix goes, it takes away a regional rival for a future US team, like Las Vegas. They want a team in Vegas. Then the dream expands. Now kids in the dessert are buying hockey cards and playing in the sand with their Sidney Crosby skateboard or Alex Ovechkin water bottle.

It is a joke. The game is played on ice, and yes, it finds some people who have never walked on ice, but for the most part, people in those areas see it as a novelty at best.

There is no point in moving to Hamilton, because kids in Hamilton already have a handful of hockey cards and their Ottawa Senators light switch.

They keep hockey away from current fans in order to keep the dream of world domination alive. I hate it, personally.

The Asian network asked to show hockey games and paid for the rights. It's not like the NHL went out and actively promoted the game in China. They don't even do that in North America.

It was free and easy money. A customer wanting to buy your product... you sell it. That's all the NHL did.

I swear, some people are out to knock Bettman on EVERYTHING he does. I fail to see how bringing in money for the league is even an issue. It's like damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
It was free and easy money. A customer wanting to buy your product... you sell it. That's all the NHL did.

I swear, some people are out to knock Bettman on EVERYTHING he does. I fail to see how bringing in money for the league is even an issue. It's like damned if you do and damned if you don't.


umm.. ironic isnt it? Balsillie (among other potential owners) want to buy your product..Bringin a crap load of money to your league, but you dont want to sell it...
 
The Asian network asked to show hockey games and paid for the rights. It's not like the NHL went out and actively promoted the game in China. They don't even do that in North America.

It was free and easy money. A customer wanting to buy your product... you sell it. That's all the NHL did.

I swear, some people are out to knock Bettman on EVERYTHING he does. I fail to see how bringing in money for the league is even an issue. It's like damned if you do and damned if you don't.


If you read my posts, I'm maybe one out of ten guys on here who have ever defended Bettman and his actions, so I'm not going out and looking for a reason to hate the guy.

Just today I said the state of the NHL is fine. The games now are as good or better than they have been in 15-20 years. The product is terrific. Bettman gets some credit for that.

The Asian thing....when it was announced, people here acted as though it was some kind of coup, that now the NHL would be truly worldwide, they'd be seeling pucks in Thailand...blah blah blah.

It's a joke. I bet the ratings were abysmal. I agree it was pretty much free money for the NHL, but some people acted like it was NEEDED. These places are bonuses, they are not needed.

Hypothetical: all 30 NHL teams implode, go bankrupt, etc., and have to fold. Would the league be dead? Of course not. It could be re-structured and still work in Canada and the northern states where hockey is beloved. You could have a CFL-type situation where salaries are lower, but unlike the CFL, every franchise would be golden. A 15-team Canadian/northern USA NHL could easily exist.

That's why I think trying to wedge a piece of the Asian pie is so silly. You have the most dedicated fans in the world...in Hamilton, in Winnipeg, in Kelowna, in Saskatoon, in Thunder Bay, in Halifax, in Quebec City. They could all support a scaled-down NHL with a CFL-like cap. Heck, they support it as is. It's not broken, it's just geographically misguided.
 
Bettman's dream (and the owners' dream) is that hockey will somehow, someday become the international game that basketball is. For example, take the big announcement of games being broadcast on Asian TV last year, like that was going to somehow result in every kid in China wearing Sean Avery jerseys and carrying their Anze Kopitar lunchkit to school. I laughed out loud when I heard it, but people on here thought it was a great idea to get people in Asia interested in hockey, like they would ever give a crap about this game.

It will remain a dream, but they are not going to give up easily.

If Phoenix goes, it takes away a regional rival for a future US team, like Las Vegas. They want a team in Vegas. Then the dream expands. Now kids in the dessert are buying hockey cards and playing in the sand with their Sidney Crosby skateboard or Alex Ovechkin water bottle.

It is a joke. The game is played on ice, and yes, it finds some people who have never walked on ice, but for the most part, people in those areas see it as a novelty at best.

There is no point in moving to Hamilton, because kids in Hamilton already have a handful of hockey cards and their Ottawa Senators light switch.

They keep hockey away from current fans in order to keep the dream of world domination alive. I hate it, personally.

I understand the crux of your statement here, I really do...I just don't agree with it.

Yes, Bettman wants to take the game international. Yes, he wants to maintain teams in the southern US that don't experience naturally forming ice. And yes, kids out here in the "dessert" already do buy hockey cards, skateboards, et. al.

But if NHL owners and commissioners had always thought the way you do and kept their heads buried in the sand (wait, you don't have sand in Canada...kept their heads under the ice) refusing to expand their businesses, the NHL wouldn't be much more than a beer league played in glorified rec centers or on ponds. It's because they decided to expand outside their traditional boundaries that we have today's NHL.

Granted, it's not feasible to maintain an NHL team in China or in Europe, just like the NFL can't maintain a team (or even a league) in Europe and MLB wont expand to Japan. That isn't what any of those leagues want to do. They want to diversify their revenue streams, pure and simple. If the NHL put all their eggs in the Canadian basket, they would fail. They need as much American money (including the southern US) and overseas money as they can get their hands on to keep the league growing.

The last thing they want to do is shrink the game. It's already in 5th place among major North American sports (behind NFL, NBA, MLB and Nascar) and the NHL can't afford to lose market share. If you eliminated all those southern teams (you know, where fans can't ever experience "real" ice) and contracted the league back to 22 teams, do you think that somehow would help the NHL gain ground on any other league in terms of popularity? That fans will somehow be better served by a poorer league? That the premiere talent (especially European and Russian) will want to stick around for smaller paychecks instead of make more money in overseas leagues closer to home?

Bettman is a lot of things, but he's not foolish for continuing to make inroads into non-traditional markets. You may not agree with keeping a team in Phoenix that seems to be failing, but I assure you it has nothing to do with fans having sand dunes instead of snow drifts in their backyards.
 
well.. yes, the economy is in the dumps, unemployment is high, yet, its a goldmine. its a guaruntee 110% sell out financial success. noone actually cares about the economy status per say of Hamilton, they care about the 7 million people surrounding hamilton, and the fact that it allready has an arena (allthough will need upgrades) and that 95% of the ppl who want leafs tickets, cant get them. a team in Hamilton immediatly becomes the second most profitable. so what do the other "numbers" matter?

This is all true.
 

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