How do you like me now....Ovechkin

Will Ovechkin card values and popularity drop?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 21.6%

  • No

    Votes: 27 23.3%

  • Remains the same

    Votes: 64 55.2%
  • Total voters
    116
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So Ovechkin has an early exit at the Olympics and now the playoffs. He didn't win the scoring race or goal scoring race and now he has a great team with him (no excuses now). How will this affect his popularity and the value of his cards?

I like Ovy but I have too be honest I was disappointed in his performance at the Olympics and in the playoffs. He certainly didn't dominate and he looked pretty normal. He didn't look explosive, creative or even determined to win, again I was disappointed in him.
 
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newfiecomicguy1 said:
...and now he has a great team with him (no excuses now).
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so what are the rest of the team's excuses for both the Caps and Team Russia? Ovechkin didn't singlehandedly lose for either of them though i will admit he didn't look as determined in either instance. i say his values remain the same.
 
Ovy fans are Ovy fans. Just like Crosby fans are Crosby fans. This season won't change their views. If he develops a tendancy to disappear in the playoffs then look for his popularity to drop in the hobby but for now, it will remain the same
 
He still managed to score 50 goals, unless he scores less the 50 next year i dont think you will see a drop in is cards.

Goals sells, Championships are just extra gravy.
 
I think its entirely possible to see a slight drop in his midlevel cards as some of the more casual fans decide to spend their money elsewhere - I still think his bigger rookie cards and high value cards will maintain their value but I think his overall popularity is taking a bit of a hit which certainly can't help the card values.
 
I like Ovy, however over the past few seasons fans made excuses that his team sucked and Ovy needed help. The Caps and Russians had a great bunch of players.

SkyFire47 said:
so what are the rest of the team's excuses for both the Caps and Team Russia? Ovechkin didn't singlehandedly lose for either of them though i will admit he didn't look as determined in either instance. i say his values remain the same.
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If somebody's looking to unload cheap, let me know! I'll take what I can afford!

Too many people apparently just take the perception the media sells (I saw a similar discussion on VS the other night) and run with it...

- "Ovie 'lost' out on the Maurice Richard trophy to Crosby and Stamkos."
Ovechkin scored 50, only 1 less. He did it in 9 less games played than Crosby and 10 less than Stamkos. I'd argue he was probably a better goal scorer this year (his 0.69 GPG beats Stamkos and Crosby by 0.06/0.07 - the same margin between those two and Gaborik/Semin).

- "Ovie 'missed' out on the Total Points race to Henrik Sedin and tied Crosby."
See above comments. Guy had 109 pts in 72 games played - 9 less than Crosby and 10 less than Sedin. He beat the Sedin twins by nearly 0.20 pts/gp.

So the knock is, why'd he miss 10 games during the regular season. He was injured and had 2 suspensions. I'd use that as an argument that he plays 'harder'. He logged more penalty minutes than any other player mentioned so far (again, in less games), and only Crosby averaged more ice time per game (10 more seconds per game). I don't want to really start a fire, so I'll reserve comments about Crosby...

- "He's not a 'finisher' as evidenced by his early exit from the playoffs, again."
He had 10 pts and 5 goals in 7 games - pretty much his season averages. Last year he had 21 pts and 11 goals in 14 games - avg pts and a touch low on goals. I don't say this to be ignorant, but the 'mass' media doesn't talk about Mike Green and Alexander Semin because the NHL doesn't market those guys like they do Ovie. Green dropped from 76 pts in 75 games to 2 assists in 7 playoff games and Semin dropped from 84 pts and 40 goals in 73 games to 2 assists in 7 playoff games. [You can also look at Ovie's +5 compared to Green's +1 and Semin's EV to see where the 'problem' really was for the Caps]

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For the Olympics, again nobody talks about the 'other' great players like Evgeni Nabokov. Nabokov managed a stellar 85.29 Save% during the Olympic tournament. Congratulations to him on finishing 13th out of 14 goalies to see action!

If people want to believe that this should hurt his hobby standing, so be it. I can only hope prices drop!
 
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^^Nice analysis Fred Bear^^

Any drop will be very temporary. The only thing that will cause his value to drop significantly is a career ending injury.
 
It's May, so yes there will be a temporary, short-term dip for some key cards. This will be bumped again in October.

Seriously, though, if any of you still bother with Beckett take a look at the Ovy YG's pricing over the past two years. It's like clockwork.
 
dahabsfan said:
Still The Most Exciting Player in hockey. I'll take em all at discount rates. :D
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Just what I felt the need to point out.

He is currently the single greatest individual hockey player in the world. No comparison whatsoever. Then again, unlucky for him that hockey in the end is based on a team effort. Though I wouldn't mind seeing him hoist the cup singlehandedly next season.
 
Fred Bear said:
If somebody's looking to unload cheap, let me know! I'll take what I can afford!

Too many people apparently just take the perception the media sells (I saw a similar discussion on VS the other night) and run with it...

- "Ovie 'lost' out on the Maurice Richard trophy to Crosby and Stamkos."
Ovechkin scored 50, only 1 less. He did it in 9 less games played than Crosby and 10 less than Stamkos. I'd argue he was probably a better goal scorer this year (his 0.69 GPG beats Stamkos and Crosby by 0.06/0.07 - the same margin between those two and Gaborik/Semin).

- "Ovie 'missed' out on the Total Points race to Henrik Sedin and tied Crosby."
See above comments. Guy had 109 pts in 72 games played - 9 less than Crosby and 10 less than Sedin. He beat the Sedin twins by nearly 0.20 pts/gp.

So the knock is, why'd he miss 10 games during the regular season. He was injured and had 2 suspensions. I'd use that as an argument that he plays 'harder'. He logged more penalty minutes than any other player mentioned so far (again, in less games), and only Crosby averaged more ice time per game (10 more seconds per game). I don't want to really start a fire, so I'll reserve comments about Crosby...

- "He's not a 'finisher' as evidenced by his early exit from the playoffs, again."
He had 10 pts and 5 goals in 7 games - pretty much his season averages. Last year he had 21 pts and 11 goals in 14 games - avg pts and a touch low on goals. I don't say this to be ignorant, but the 'mass' media doesn't talk about Mike Green and Alexander Semin because the NHL doesn't market those guys like they do Ovie. Green dropped from 76 pts in 75 games to 2 assists in 7 playoff games and Semin dropped from 84 pts and 40 goals in 73 games to 2 assists in 7 playoff games. [You can also look at Ovie's +5 compared to Green's +1 and Semin's EV to see where the 'problem' really was for the Caps]

**Added**
For the Olympics, again nobody talks about the 'other' great players like Evgeni Nabokov. Nabokov managed a stellar 85.29 Save% during the Olympic tournament. Congratulations to him on finishing 13th out of 14 goalies to see action!

If people want to believe that this should hurt his hobby standing, so be it. I can only hope prices drop!
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He only managed 1 goal in the 4 losses to the Habs in the playoffs. When push came to shove, he wasn't much of an impact for the Caps.

As for Nabokov, no one ever called him one of the greatest goalies in the NHL so I don't get the comparison. If anything, he's been hammered for his poor performances over the years much like Joe Thornton.

That said, I personally don't see much of a drop off in Ovechkin's value, but in the long term if he doesn't win a Cup, I can't see them getting much better either.

On a side point, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that prices reflect such short term numbers for players. From month to month, prices fluctuate like crazy if a player goes on a hot or cold spell. I mean, what the hell is going on? Are people collecting cards of players who are getting points or are the PC'ers just willing to pay more if their players get better production? I just think it's silly that after Kostitsyn scores a hat trick or goes on a 2 week run that his SPA rookie (used to) jump up 25% in value. Also when I collected Erik Johnson... one of the hotter 07-08 rookies. I could barely get anything for his cards when he was injured. He came back this year and price rocketed as he put up some decent numbers and then dropped once he tapered off.
 
I thought he looked lazy and unmotivated in the last few games against the Habs (and I HATE the habs). He didn't work hard at all, IMO Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri were working harder and showed the will to win a lot more.

I have to admit that I was hoping they would beat the habs. I thought after the disappointment Ovy must have felt by losing last year and the then losing in the Olympics would motivate him, I thought he would be on a mission. I expected and hoped that he would be a beast in the playoffs. I kept saying he will get going, he never. He didn't want it as bad as the habs guys did or at least he wasn't willing to go after it. He was the most skilled guys in that series but he didn't play like it especially in the last couple games.

I have to disagree that he is the single best player in the league. He might be the best goal scorer and the flashiest player but he is certainly not the best ALL around player.

Hopefully his cards drop in price then I can get some cheaper rookies and auto's.
 
Ovechkin is certainly a player I love to watch. He's like the "Tazmanian Devil" on ice. However, watching the team during the playoffs (and Olympics) reminded me of this weeks Cavs/Celtics game during which the Cavs were blown out of the building by Boston. The Cleveland team seemed to "stand around" waiting for LaBron James to do something.

The same can be said for the Caps as they just expected Ovechkin to do his thing and score goals.

Sometimes, a team might perform better if there are NO superstars (Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, etc). Rather. a well-balanced team of cup-hungry youngsters might succeed by not "standing around" waiting for their superstar to score goals.

This playoff season has shown me that teams like Montreal and Boston are enjoying success without the benefit of a mega-player. It's obviously just my humble opinion. But those teams sure are fun to watch despite the lack of a superstar.

Go Bruins!
 
I don't think his prices will change, he almost won theb rocket and scoring title in about 10 less games, nabokov forgot to play goal in the olympics, and semin and green sucked, leaving backstrom and ovechkin to do it all in the playoffs, he had 9 points in 7 games, pretty solid in my opinion
 
I couldn't have used a better word myself for #8 ;)

I say his stuff goes down a bit

Howe1850 said:
Just what I felt the need to point out.

He is currently the single greatest individual hockey player in the world. No comparison whatsoever. Then again, unlucky for him that hockey in the end is based on a team effort. Though I wouldn't mind seeing him hoist the cup singlehandedly next season.
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I'd say a slight drop because he's not playing right now and the hockey season is almost over. Once October hits the value will creep back up.
 
Ovechkin reminds me a lot of Eric Lindros. Plays hard, plays mean, and still tops the scoring charts. Every time I see him play it reminds me of watching Lindros in the mid-90's.

This same discussion cam up about Lindros every year as well. Would his cardboard drop after an early exit? From what I saw with Lindros was a summer-long drop off in sales prices and demand for Lindros stuff. I loved it as a collector because I was able to get some stuff that I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. As soon as October rolled around, his demand and prices came right back.

I would suspect the same to happen with Ovechkin until he makes a solid finals run.

Feel free to flame away in regards to my comparison to Lindros...
 

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