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I have been watching the case breaks and actually opened a case myself, what a waist of money. I can still remember thinking that each case should at least have one big hit at the price we pay for these items, my hit was a redemption howe/hull scripted swatch #5 to me that doesnt justify buying this stuff might as well wait and pick and choose through sites like this and the bay. I thought that UD was lowering the number of product so there would be less to go around.....doesnt seem like it
 
How can you possibly say that a Howe/Hull Dual Scripted swatch is not a big hit?

Besides, the rookies is what drives this product. Even a scrub rookie can pay for a tin if the swatch is nice enough (case in point, the Gerbe that Mike sold today)
 
TanguayFan said:
How can you possibly say that a Howe/Hull Dual Scripted swatch is not a big hit?

Besides, the rookies is what drives this product. Even a scrub rookie can pay for a tin if the swatch is nice enough (case in point, the Gerbe that Mike sold today)
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I agree. The rookies are the big things. I'd be more than thrilled to pull that card, how can you say that's not a big hit?
 
i guess i was wrong

howe/hull should even out 2k drop;0)))) but i just kid ,rookie wise I didnt get much so that why i was surprised
 
You hit an amazing card. I realize rookies are what drives the hobby and the product but a card like that can never leave a poor taste in any break at any price point.
 
It could be a 1/1 Howe/Hall and I wouldn't be too excited about it. I personally think the old guys should be cut out and placed into the retirement brand. Yes, Gretzky too.
 
mrconie said:
It could be a 1/1 Howe/Hall and I wouldn't be too excited about it. I personally think the old guys should be cut out and placed into the retirement brand. Yes, Gretzky too.
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Why? Do you know how many collectors there are of old timers and guys like Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, etc? Just because you don't collect them doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the products. People are unreal. You bust a case of any product, it's a GAMBLE. No one forces you to do it and no one promises you your money back. Personally, I think the Howe/Hull is a killer hit
 
You actually did well with your hit, IMO. But your thread begs further response.

Different year/product, same ol' kvetching. If you buy ANY high end product with the sole purpose of paying off the case or even making money, you're not doing anything different than the guy who lives paycheck to paycheck, but dumps 1/2 his disposable income into the lottery... or goes to Vegas trying to break the bank and continues to play even when he has the good fortune to hit for one or two thousand when they get hot.

Repeat after me slowly... THE ODDS ARE NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. The HOUSE (or Upper Deck) will ALWAYS COME OUT AHEAD. Buy enough cases (or play enough roulette/buy enough tickets) and the odds are you'll get on a hot streak or two. But in the end, the ONLY winner is the house, or the manufacturer.

Even buying on the secondary market, you're spending big to get the shinys. I doubt many but the most cautious are even truly aware of how much money they have invested ("spent" is probably a better word) on product, either in rippings or secondary market purchases. I thought I was... until I made the decision to get out to reinvest what I had into this hobby into a different one (see sig - entirely paid for by getting out).

All a long way of saying you may want to reconsider why you're buying what you buy if you're still stunned at your disappointment or buyer's remorse once all the packs are ripped or tins are opened. Whether or not you realize it, you're doing it for the thrill and many get addicted. You ARE gambling and if you can't afford to lose you really oughtn't play.

My Two Cents,
Dave
 
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sevenwings said:
I have been watching the case breaks and actually opened a case myself, what a waist of money. I can still remember thinking that each case should at least have one big hit at the price we pay for these items, my hit was a redemption howe/hull scripted swatch #5 to me that doesnt justify buying this stuff might as well wait and pick and choose through sites like this and the bay. I thought that UD was lowering the number of product so there would be less to go around.....doesnt seem like it
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To tell the truth I dont understand this kind of replies. Why you buyed?
Dont open anymore, its so simple. No one command to do it.
I agree your point, but thats why I wont buy this product. I pick all I need for bay. Its too big risk to me to get empty Case or even box.

Harri
 
chips*dad said:
You actually did well with your hit, IMO. But your thread begs further response.

Different year/product, same ol' kvetching. If you buy ANY high end product with the sole purpose of paying off the case or even making money, you're not doing anything different than the guy who lives paycheck to paycheck, but dumps 1/2 his disposable income into the lottery... or goes to Vegas trying to break the bank and continues to play even when he has the good fortune to hit for one or two thousand when they get hot.

Repeat after me slowly... THE ODDS ARE NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. The HOUSE (or Upper Deck) will ALWAYS COME OUT AHEAD. Buy enough cases (or play enough roulette/buy enough tickets) and the odds are you'll get on a hot streak or two. But in the end, the ONLY winner is the house, or the manufacturer.

Even buying on the secondary market, you're spending big to get the shinys. I doubt many but the most cautious are even truly aware of how much money they have invested ("spent" is probably a better word) on product, either in rippings or secondary market purchases. I thought I was... until I made the decision to get out to reinvest what I had into this hobby into a different one.

All a long way of saying you may want to reconsider why you're buying what you buy if you're still stunned at your disappointment or buyer's remorse once all the packs are ripped or tins are opened. Whether or not you realize it, you're doing it for the thrill and many get addicted. You ARE gambling and if you can't afford to lose you really oughtn't play.

My Two Cents,
Dave
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if there was a rep system on this forum, this post definitely gets a +1 from me
 
This is a post that can only make a person like me laugh. Like a lot of folks in this hobby, I can only dream of having enough disposable income to be able to just drop a couple G's on a case of The Cup. I content myself with the mid-level purchases; heck, for me I just dropped a little over a hundred bucks to break a box of Centennial and O Canada. The collation in the Centennial was not very good, as I got a lot of dupes of both the base and the SPs - I did get a Cournoyer auto though. And the O Canada had two no-namer hits. But you know what? I had a lot of fun breaking it. Two of my favourite products ever and I was kept occupied for an hour looking at all the cards and organizing into sets.
And now I see a Cup case-breaker sad that his biggest hit is a dual auto-memorabilia of two of the game's all-time greats. Pardon me while I play the world's smallest violin.
 
Please understand

I hope everyone who reads my first post doesnt get the wrong idea, Im VERY VERY lucky that in these bad economic times i can afford just 1 case of The Cup. I enjoy collecting like everyone else here does and in no way am out to make a profit on cards, most cases i loose money. It is just frustrating at times when you do go all out and the cases total value wasnt even half of what I paid....no i dont expect to get a dual shield, those are few and far b/t but i would like to see a rc or two of note. Anway hopefully I wish you all the best with your breaks as i will be watching and enjoying other people breaks. Good Luck
 
This is almost stunning to read.

A hit that would leave most people in the Hobby dancing for joy........
And the OP is 'disappointed' in the rippage.

Dave put it very well - time to leave.

And as far as the 'Vintage' players portion - all I have to say is at least they usally sign and return their cards in a timely fashion. Were it not for these players - there would be a lot less people opening product. Orr - Gretzky - Howe - Beliveau........ come on these players are stellar draws to products.

Another case of someone thinking that every product case OWES them a even return.
Just one question..... Are you also upset when a case doubles or triples your initial outlay???

bruce
 
When does that happen

Except for one time I have never had a case
exceed what I paid, and yes I understand that
there's chances when buying high end product
thank you for pointing that out I would ask this thread
be closed thanks




QUOTE=suitman19;1277383]This is almost stunning to read.

A hit that would leave most people in the Hobby dancing for joy........
And the OP is 'disappointed' in the rippage.

Dave put it very well - time to leave.

And as far as the 'Vintage' players portion - all I have to say is at least they usally sign and return their cards in a timely fashion. Were it not for these players - there would be a lot less people opening product. Orr - Gretzky - Howe - Beliveau........ come on these players are stellar draws to products.

Another case of someone thinking that every product case OWES them a even return.
Just one question..... Are you also upset when a case doubles or triples your initial outlay???

bruce[/QUOTE]
 
The mods will do what the mods will do, but personally, I think this thread's pretty informative for those just starting to lose their grip on whether to dive headfirst into this hobby... always good to make people think, no matter what the issue.
 
mrconie said:
It could be a 1/1 Howe/Hall and I wouldn't be too excited about it. I personally think the old guys should be cut out and placed into the retirement brand. Yes, Gretzky too.
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Gordie Howe/Glenn Hall wouldn't be all that interesting, but I'd dig it.

Gordie Howe/Bobby Hull most certainly is. Unless, of course, you have no interest in or knowledge of hockey. I can see a collector willing to put up $600-800 for that cards without a blink.

The card in question is awesome in nature, but I remember I got bummed over my 2nd case's hit being a Roy/Bourque Dual Scripted Swatches /5 because my first case hit was a Dual Auto Shield of Bourque and Scott Stevens. That was something stupid to be bummed about, especially 5 cases later when those two cards remained my top pulls.

Sometimes you don't really understand or appreciate what you have. That's when you need to stop dropping money on products like the Cup.

-Michael
 
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suitman19 said:
This is almost stunning to read.

A hit that would leave most people in the Hobby dancing for joy........
And the OP is 'disappointed' in the rippage.

Dave put it very well - time to leave.

And as far as the 'Vintage' players portion - all I have to say is at least they usally sign and return their cards in a timely fashion. Were it not for these players - there would be a lot less people opening product. Orr - Gretzky - Howe - Beliveau........ come on these players are stellar draws to products.

Another case of someone thinking that every product case OWES them a even return.
Just one question..... Are you also upset when a case doubles or triples your initial outlay???

bruce
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Serious +1 for this one since this seems to be the trend :)

Straight-up compare the number of redemption cards in say, 2004-05 UD Legends Classics vs. 2004-05 SP Authentic...

While some guys were playing in Europe and the minor leagues, there shouldn't have been such a huge need for redemptions in 2004-05.

Legends Classics required redemptions from Dickie Moore, Patrick Roy, Larry Murphy, Paul Coffey, and Don Cherry. I truly cannot remember anyone else.

Almost all multi-player autos from 2004-05 SP Authentic were either stickered or redemptions. Hell, even the ultra-rare Maxim Afinogenov was a SOTT stickergraph.

The old dudes just seem to do better at returning their cards, but I happen to wonder what would happen if UD showed greater creativity in their selection of retired players, and if it would start pissing off the rookie-loving contingent. Many people get pissed at seeing Joe Mullen in their tin, but damned if I don't love picking his cards up off the secondary market.

Aside from the weird event-worn jerseys, one of the few things Upper Deck does right when designing products is a (general) appreciation of hockey history. They might completely blow it on swatches and stickergraphs, but we expect that of them. They're not ITG....but who is? (Dr. Price, don't feel obligated to answer, that was rhetorical). :D

-Michael
 

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