geerhed19
Verified Trader,
The idea of anything termed "tighty whitey" scares me, I prefer the bubble mailer as they let my package breathe...
In all seriousness, what do bubble mailers actually do?
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The idea of anything termed "tighty whitey" scares me, I prefer the bubble mailer as they let my package breathe...
cards-gotta-go
Banned User
Can a brutha get an AMEN from the masses?
Thanks Steve, now I gotta shove that wire brush in and scrub that image from my brain... :banned:
meatmancgy
Verified Trader ,
I'm with you on this. Have only hand one "damaged" bubbler but the card was fine. Had quite a few damaged cards in whiteys.
The bubble mailer IS the standard for deals here on HobbyInsider.net for the reasons stated earlier:
1. Bubblers do not go through automatic sorting machines so they are less likely to get damaged.
2. Bubblers are less likely to get lost.
3. Bubblers in the mailbox put an air of excitement among the dreariness of regular bills.
If you do not send by bubble mailer (which I highly recommend NOT doing), you MUST get your trading partner to agree to how you are sending, which is again why transaction threads must be completely fully.
dahabsfan
Verified Trader,
Some clarification to point 1 Bruce - Bubbles do indeed go through the same sorters as whiteys UNLESS the postage label/stamps are hand cancelled (stamped) at your PO - then they are kicked from the first stage sorting process. Otherwise they're subject to the exact same torture as whiteys and are much more susceptible to damage due to their size (mainly the thickness issue).
Darren
meatmancgy
Verified Trader ,
Ah fair enough... since I hand-deliver mine to the post office ladies here, that's how it happens for me.
So that's a lesson for everyone - don't just drop your bubblers in the corner red/blue post box... take it to the PO itself.
Q
quincy
Guest
Now's not the time to mention that I've been accused of resembling Kanoe when I wear my trenchcoat...
Cartophilium
Banned User
Putting Things in Perspective
This discussion has been sidetracked for a variety of reasons - mainly the lack of verifiable date and an erroneous start to the discussion to begin with.
I submit the following data. Since 1971 my companies have shipped well over 1,000,000 items by Canada Post in PWEs, manilla envelopes, padded envelopes, bubble envelopes, corrugated boxes of various make,size and shape. Wore out two Pitney Bowes mailing machines in the process and when I stopped counting in the early nineties had shipped to 63 countries. I think I know a bit about shipping cards and product by mail.
The erroneous assumption. The debate is focused on the choice between a PWE and a bubble envelope. This is a completely bogus choice to begin with.
Throw in manilla envelopes,padded envelopes or any other mailing product and the debate is still bogus and pointless.
The real issue is very simple. A PWE or a bubble envelope or any other mailing product is an inanimate object. Without YOU the shipper it cannot accomplish anything. So the real issue is very simple. Ship properly with the appropriate product for the specific item(s) or do it poorly and risk the consequences.
A few months ago I received a 140 cards from a highly rated vendor on an internet site in a #0 Eco-Lite bubble envelope. 4 teams bags jammed to the limit with 35 cards each. The four team bags were originally placed in a 2 x 2 matrix inside the envelope but were not stabilized within a cardboard sandwich taped on the sides and at the ends. In transit the packs had moved and arrived with one pack diagonally underneath another. Two of the cards were significantly damaged. Not the fault of the envelope, the manufacturers of the various components, the various post offices or people en route. The shipper did not do the job properly. Did not use proper tools and tried to do it on the cheap.
As for items getting lost. Items get lost because of human error. Plain and simple. The packaging has absolutely nothing to do with the item getting lost.
Sumit the following as evidence.
1. Shipment to London, Ontario from Sherbrooke, QC,delayed 5 weeks because a postal worker misread the label and sent it to London, England. Oblivious to the fact that the package did not have any customs declarations attached.
2. Express envelope from Montreal, QC to Philadelphia,Pa. returned to me after seven weeks as undeliverable. On the stamped receipt it was clearly marked as Philadelphia, Pa but en route some one had crossed out the PA and replaced it with NY. The amazing part was that no one else in the chain was able or willing to correct the mistake. Took two months to get a refund for the initial fees.
3. Shipment from Sherbrooke, QC to a USA destination delayed 11 weeks. Properly addressed with appropriate customs declarations. At some point in Canada the parcel was incorrectly placed in an international bag instead of a USA bag. When it arrived back at our Sherbrooke warehouse it had stamps indicating that it had cleared customs in France and Egypt.BTW no contents were damaged or missing.
Again the packaging had absolutely nothing to do with the misdirection or the perception of loss by the customer.
This discussion has been sidetracked for a variety of reasons - mainly the lack of verifiable date and an erroneous start to the discussion to begin with.
I submit the following data. Since 1971 my companies have shipped well over 1,000,000 items by Canada Post in PWEs, manilla envelopes, padded envelopes, bubble envelopes, corrugated boxes of various make,size and shape. Wore out two Pitney Bowes mailing machines in the process and when I stopped counting in the early nineties had shipped to 63 countries. I think I know a bit about shipping cards and product by mail.
The erroneous assumption. The debate is focused on the choice between a PWE and a bubble envelope. This is a completely bogus choice to begin with.
Throw in manilla envelopes,padded envelopes or any other mailing product and the debate is still bogus and pointless.
The real issue is very simple. A PWE or a bubble envelope or any other mailing product is an inanimate object. Without YOU the shipper it cannot accomplish anything. So the real issue is very simple. Ship properly with the appropriate product for the specific item(s) or do it poorly and risk the consequences.
A few months ago I received a 140 cards from a highly rated vendor on an internet site in a #0 Eco-Lite bubble envelope. 4 teams bags jammed to the limit with 35 cards each. The four team bags were originally placed in a 2 x 2 matrix inside the envelope but were not stabilized within a cardboard sandwich taped on the sides and at the ends. In transit the packs had moved and arrived with one pack diagonally underneath another. Two of the cards were significantly damaged. Not the fault of the envelope, the manufacturers of the various components, the various post offices or people en route. The shipper did not do the job properly. Did not use proper tools and tried to do it on the cheap.
As for items getting lost. Items get lost because of human error. Plain and simple. The packaging has absolutely nothing to do with the item getting lost.
Sumit the following as evidence.
1. Shipment to London, Ontario from Sherbrooke, QC,delayed 5 weeks because a postal worker misread the label and sent it to London, England. Oblivious to the fact that the package did not have any customs declarations attached.
2. Express envelope from Montreal, QC to Philadelphia,Pa. returned to me after seven weeks as undeliverable. On the stamped receipt it was clearly marked as Philadelphia, Pa but en route some one had crossed out the PA and replaced it with NY. The amazing part was that no one else in the chain was able or willing to correct the mistake. Took two months to get a refund for the initial fees.
3. Shipment from Sherbrooke, QC to a USA destination delayed 11 weeks. Properly addressed with appropriate customs declarations. At some point in Canada the parcel was incorrectly placed in an international bag instead of a USA bag. When it arrived back at our Sherbrooke warehouse it had stamps indicating that it had cleared customs in France and Egypt.BTW no contents were damaged or missing.
Again the packaging had absolutely nothing to do with the misdirection or the perception of loss by the customer.
GoCanGo
Verified Trader
Ok, not to criticize those who send in PWEs, but I received today an 06-07 Upper Deck MVP One-on-One jersey Spezza/Sundin in a plain 'ol PWE, with taped top loader and penny sleeve, and little more than paper inside the envelope to protect the card. Needless to say, the card arrived creased in several places...
So to those of you who say PWEs do the same, I say get real. It's the 3rd time I've ever received a damaged card in a trade, and ALL have come in PWEs.
So to those of you who say PWEs do the same, I say get real. It's the 3rd time I've ever received a damaged card in a trade, and ALL have come in PWEs.
warsawknuckles
Verified Trader,
for the poster who mentioned that PWEs and bubble mailers go thru the same machine-sorting process, i have to disagree. if you are in the States, your receipt will say (at least it used to) "non-machinable first class". this is due to the thickness of the mailer. that was their way to tack on a surcharge for having to hand-sort that type of mail.
not sure if this is still the norm, but it was for a long time...
not sure if this is still the norm, but it was for a long time...
jdg573
Verified Trader,
I have no idea if the bubble mailer is any better than a plain white envelope but it nothing else it gives me piece of mind. It's all psychological for me. The warm fuzzy feeling I get when I see the mailbox full of those weird yellow shipping devices. I cringe everytime I see a white envelope in the mailbox - wait those are bills. Long live the bubble mailer
JohnnyDrama
Verified Trader,
Facts aside, it's more about peace of mind for me. I have yet to get a damaged card (knock on wood) mainly because I've only had one PWE come my way. It just makes me feel better to see the bubbler. I can't explain it.
