Is the NHL Finished Forever?

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Usually I don't watch, care about, or even consider hockey as a North American priority, but I'd like some opinions here. Considering the lack of interest in the NHL overall, is mainstream hockey in the U.S. done, for good?

Compared to the baseball strike a decade ago, there was virtually no fan support or public outcries. No one seemed to care. The players don't care about giving the fans what they want. Neither do the owners.

I am not a hockey fan to say the least, and I'm actually happy there is no season. However, this could be a valid point, because in real terms, the NHL is overlooked, and rightfully so.

This isn't an attack on hockey fans, but I'm just glad we can focus on basketball more now.
 
The NHL is definitely suffering but it will not be finished. If they lose enough revenue and are restricted to paying salaries comparable to what the top leagues in Europe pay, they may lose the status as the top hockey league in the world. That will be a sad day that 88 years of history are destroy because of egos.
 
Hockey is missed sorely here. There are sportsbars here that will shut their doors because of the NHL lockout. Attendance at hockey games here these days are sellout events even if not NHL hockey, ice time is still in short supply and I have 4 sheets within 5 miles of my house.

So if basketball/baseball are what we have to look forward to, we have nothing to look forward to in this town....wish it were different, but it isn't.
 
Little melodramatic AJ...

Finished, no. Gravely wounded, definitely. It's going to take a lot of work to win the fans back - lower ticket prices, better game play, more fan involvement.

Either that, or hold a public carnival where the most notorious overpaid gits, washouts, and losers can be ridiculed and degraded by the fans. Pardon me Mr. Guerin, I do believe they're asking for you next....
 
Not in the least..hockey will be back...I can however understand your stance on the sport...I can not stand basketball as far as NBA and even college hoops. IF there was ever a lockout/strike in the NBA I would be happy as a fly on.....
I dont really see more focus on basketball it is the most over televised sport in the US...hopfully the NHL will be back next season and I'll be able to flip the channell with out seeing the NBA or college hoops as much(I knew there was a reason I hate march so much.)
 
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quincy said:
Little melodramatic AJ...

Finished, no. Gravely wounded, definitely. It's going to take a lot of work to win the fans back - lower ticket prices, better game play, more fan involvement.


It's gonna take a lot more than lower ticket prices and fan involvement to bring people back to the NHL....it's gonna take an emotional attachment (such as the 98 HR race to baseball), people will want a reason to go to a game (i.e. to see something special), not an excuse (oh look, tickets are only $20).

To have a long-term injection of a fan base, something really positive will have to have in a few different markets over the course of the next 2 years.

The next 2-3 years of NHL hockey will tell us the future of this league.

And I can't bash those NHLers who speak out based on emotions or frustrations, and don't really know what it's like for us common folk who put in 8-5's and don't make millions of dollars a year.

It's all relative people, to them, everyone in their business makes a lot of money, for what we consider a game or a hobby. If they need another million to feed their dogs, than let them negotiate their contract. Honestly, I could care less what players do with their money and if they want to whine; it doesn't affect my behavior or attitude about them as individuals on an everyday basis. They just need to operate within a standard and a set of guidelines. If player A wants another million dollars, player B will have to give that up, or B and C will each give up $500k. You need a realistic ceiling.

Sure I would like salaries to come down and the average price of a family of 4 going to game to drop, but as long as people are willing to pay those prices, why would they drop? And as long as owners dish out the money, and players hold out for it, we'll continue to pay for it.

The NHL needs to have a ceiling and floor on spending to make the game fair, or at least competitive. You can pretty much look at the NHL playoffs for the last 10 years, and see at least 10 of the same teams there each year; the teams with the most money to spend.

The game is badly damaged, almost to the brink of no repair, but with some softer heads and greater minds, I think the game needs some changes before the next season starts. Contraction does not need to happen if there is a salary cap. Relocation would be a better option.

Well, I could go on all night and til the next day, except I have class and work tomorrow.

Discuss amongst yourself, and if you don't agree with me, we all have opinions, and the only way to resolve anything is to talk about them.

Thanks,
Vik
 
How can you watch those overpaid prima-donnas who can't even shoot a simple jump shot or free throw?? NBA is truly a garbage league.
 
Win the fans back by getting the cap and folding a half-dozen or so US expansion franchises, distribute the talent evenly to remaining teams, rename the divisions back to Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe, and get Winnipeg, Quebec and Halifax into the fold (read: where hockey is not a novelty like basketball is here in Canada) and you've got a strong, viable league. Who cares if it's ever as big as baseball is in the US.

And please, please, please never mention basketball and hockey in the same thread again. At a hockey game people eat the hot dogs. At a basketball game people watch them dribble. I played in high school - they used to have a rule called 'travelling'. Apparently they've abolished that one in favor of monster dunks. Basketball has more in common with WWE than NHL.
 
Right, this market is all about basketball!

ajbry said:
Usually I don't watch, care about, or even consider hockey as a North American priority, but I'd like some opinions here. Considering the lack of interest in the NHL overall, is mainstream hockey in the U.S. done, for good?

Compared to the baseball strike a decade ago, there was virtually no fan support or public outcries. No one seemed to care. The players don't care about giving the fans what they want. Neither do the owners.

I am not a hockey fan to say the least, and I'm actually happy there is no season. However, this could be a valid point, because in real terms, the NHL is overlooked, and rightfully so.

This isn't an attack on hockey fans, but I'm just glad we can focus on basketball more now.

“This isn't an attack on hockey fans, but I'm just glad we can focus on basketball more now.”

Ah right!
Yes, because as a Proud Canadian Hockey fan that’s where I want my focus to be right now. LOL!
Lets just hope that we can dwindle some of the teams in the US market and get the back to where they belong.
Hockey will be a hard ticket to sell in states where NASCAR has a bigger fan base, oh wait that’s most of the US.
The recovery process will be as long as MJ’s healing process, if not longer. We will be fine in Canada. Most of us understand that this is good for the long term.
Could be years before it’s back to normal.
I know one city for sure will not suffer.
24 STANLEY CUPS AND COUNTING!

I hate Basketball!

Shane
 
Ferris said:
Win the fans back by getting the cap and folding a half-dozen or so US expansion franchises, distribute the talent evenly to remaining teams, rename the divisions back to Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe, and get Winnipeg, Quebec and Halifax into the fold (read: where hockey is not a novelty like basketball is here in Canada) and you've got a strong, viable league. Who cares if it's ever as big as baseball is in the US.

And please, please, please never mention basketball and hockey in the same thread again. At a hockey game people eat the hot dogs. At a basketball game people watch them dribble. I played in high school - they used to have a rule called 'travelling'. Apparently they've abolished that one in favor of monster dunks. Basketball has more in common with WWE than NHL.

I'd like to nominate this as post of the year!! Ryan you are right on the nose with this one.
 
ajbry said:
This isn't an attack on hockey fans, but I'm just glad we can focus on basketball more now.
Honestly the only person that will focus on basketball in this particular group is you(or at the very least you are in the minority)...I actually have never watched a full basketball game on TV in my 28years and would rather have a screw driver jammed in to my eye than ever focus on basketball...That being said IMO this topic was more TROLLING than a real attempt to get opinions.
Basically I hate basketball and pretty much anything to do with it....even that lame league where there are areas that allow players to dunk easier(on TNT I think)...Slamball or something like that.
 
quincy said:
Little melodramatic AJ...

Either that, or hold a public carnival where the most notorious overpaid gits, washouts, and losers can be ridiculed and degraded by the fans. Pardon me Mr. Guerin, I do believe they're asking for you next....

" Hold on a second Mr. Guerin. I believe Mr. Yashin is due two doses."
 
time2trade said:
I'm going to have to second on this, with emphasis on the first paragraph. :)
RIGHTFULLY SO...I'll 3rd it lol....l repeat myself....one word describes this topic TROLLING
 
ajbry said:
Usually I don't watch, care about, or even consider hockey as a North American priority, but I'd like some opinions here. Considering the lack of interest in the NHL overall, is mainstream hockey in the U.S. done, for good?

Compared to the baseball strike a decade ago, there was virtually no fan support or public outcries. No one seemed to care. The players don't care about giving the fans what they want. Neither do the owners
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I am not a hockey fan to say the least, and I'm actually happy there is no season. However, this could be a valid point, because in real terms, the NHL is overlooked, and rightfully so.

This isn't an attack on hockey fans, but I'm just glad we can focus on basketball more now.

I consider the bold a form of trolling...If you were really looking for opinions you would of left that out...as most of us in the hockey group could care less about basketball(as I said before I would rather have a screwdriver jabed in my ear/eye than watch the sport)
As I assume most know this definition of Troll(ing)
"An Internet troll is a person who sends messages on the internet hoping to entice other users in to angry or fruitless responses, or a message sent by such a person."
This is exactly what half of your post was, just to annoy the members of this forum...maybe if you only typed what I changed to red it would not be the case.

If the NBA CBA negotations ever leads to a lockout what would the responce to people posting they are glad about the season being shortened/canceled?...I would guess you and other b-ball fans would not really apreciate it.
 
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Didn't think you would take it as a personal attack. I'm not a troll, but I'd assume I'd get a little more respect than that to even have to admit it.

I was just stating my opinion. I don't like hockey. I don't like the NHL. I'm entitled to say that, right? I didn't post the last couple of sentences in my original post to generate a negative reaction, and annoy anyone.

You can say it was "trolling" or whatever, but I don't have to cater to the emotional needs of hockey fans. I just wanted opinions.
 
Maybe it's got trollish manners, but AJ's post was an attempt to drum up conversation in a sport he doesn't follow. Rather than cursing the darkness here, light a candle - I would guess that his POV isn't that far from Joe American's view. Here in Canada, it's a bit more tightly woven into the national character. You only see that in some areas in the US. So let's not be too quick to tar and feather AJ for stirring up a topic most of us find painful.
 
quincy said:
Maybe it's got trollish manners, but AJ's post was an attempt to drum up conversation in a sport he doesn't follow. Rather than cursing the darkness here, light a candle - I would guess that his POV isn't that far from Joe American's view. Here in Canada, it's a bit more tightly woven into the national character. You only see that in some areas in the US. So let's not be too quick to tar and feather AJ for stirring up a topic most of us find painful.

Thanks, very well said. I may be ignorant compared to the common hockey fan, but I was just expressing my opinion.
 

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