It's Getting Personal Now

[craxz]

There have been numerous discussions about what happened to ITG when they released all these "vault" cards. I noticed a few of my PC player collections start showing up on ebay, I kind of rolled with it. Until I saw this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14-15-ITG-U...201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d2fa2689

This is such an extremely rare card that shows up, never. I know of the difficulties it took for me to obtain the Journey Emblem. Its one of my favorite themed cards as well.

Sucks there maybe more coming and it takes away the rareness away from how hard I had to find it...

 

[GrimUSMC]

Like I said before, theres no reason for that card to exist. Theres no reason a card that is over 10 years old, and well outside of the "customer service window" should not have been destroyed and the memorabilia reused. I lost a ton of respect for ITG cards as a result of this whole Vault thing.

 

[golgo13]

Personal against who.....you? Yup im sure the evil Dr. P had you in mind when he decided to release this particular card :crazy: im guessing the reason you dont see these is because they are locked up tight in collectors PC.....this is the Vault version remember

 

[koondog44]

Does it really matter that it comes from "the vault"? If it's not from there, North of 7 would list it on EBay eventually Show stamped cards have been around forever, and essentially, that's all these cards are to me. FAR FAR FAR less meaningful in my PC. I consider them a cheap bonus, and not a "must have".

 

[go_leafs]

if you dont like it, you can ignore the vault card, because there are stamps to distinguish them

It won't hurt the price of the original card, cause there are technically 2 different cards

plus the original card are numbered to 10 i think, as i USED to have this

 

[craxz]

Personal against who.....you? Yup im sure the evil Dr. P had you in mind when he decided to release this particular card :crazy: im guessing the reason you dont see these is because they are locked up tight in collectors PC

Hi buddy,

I'm not sure of your dedication or integrity, whether be cards or life.

I know how many copies of each of my PC player collectors have been sold, bought, or traded. Even when I'm not in the "hobby" I still "browse".

A card that is this old and rare should not be released. Period.

I can argue that it gives new collectors a chance to pick up a card numbered to /10 which was released 10-15 years ago an opportunity to own it.

With a scar, of course labelled right across the card. Like a branding...outcast....I digress.

A card 10-15 years without all the availability we have now being able to buy a card across the world. It took time. Car rides, bus rides, even walking.

Perfection is what some seek. You can't stand for it and then abandon it and still seek the same respect.

 

[craxz]

if you dont like it, you can ignore the vault card, because there are stamps to distinguish them

It won't hurt the price of the original card, cause there are technically 2 different cards

plus the original card are numbered to 10 i think, as i USED to have this

Sweet card. 01-02 Journey Emblem is truly something else though.

 

[whonos]

So I guess you didn't notice its the sapphire version, that's the second copy.


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[losman#99]

Would you have complained if this card was released as part of an Expo 1/1 promotion?
I know I own quite a few ITG fall expo, Cross country 1/1's that there are more then 1 copy out there but I don't seem to remember any threads about those cards. If there was please direct me to them and I will stand corrected.

 

[vonkale]

I just can't see how stamped cards takes away the rareness of the original? Show stamps have been around for ages and nothing brutal happened. How are these different than those show cards companys have?

 

[mortuus]

I dont really see anything negative in this, they released vault because they had a few cards instock which rather then destroy they wanted to get them out to whoever wants to collect those i dont see either how they are gonna make the orignal cards less worth ?

Like i pulled myself a Gretzky complete package Ruby version from 02 year i cant say i complain because even if i wanted to buy the orignal cards which were numbered to /10 or whatever i doubt u gonna ever found those online anytime soon, same even if u have like all 10 cards, or 5 of the same player and u find those vault cards thats even more fun to have extra more cards of the same set but released many years after.

To me i think vault was the best thing they did before they handed over to Leaf because to me they did the best ultimate the first years and all those cards and set are very hard to find to buy today.

 

[GrimUSMC]

But those cards are supposed to be very limited and hard to find, thats one of the things that makes them what they are.

The point is, why was that card sitting in a vault for all these years? What purpose did it serve? There wasnt goign to be a customer service issue. They werent goign to suddenly be a show redemption program. I understand show stamped cards, and customer service copies to fix problems for current products. But there is absolutely no reason , NONE, for some of these to exist. And you can not justify it by saying "well it helps me get the card I could never find or afford." Thats a very selfish and narrow minded answer and a dissservice to the hobby as a whole, who spent tons of money and resources on those cards when they were released.

I dont really see anything negative in this, they released vault because they had a few cards instock which rather then destroy they wanted to get them out to whoever wants to collect those i dont see either how they are gonna make the orignal cards less worth ?

Like i pulled myself a Gretzky complete package Ruby version from 02 year i cant say i complain because even if i wanted to buy the orignal cards which were numbered to /10 or whatever i doubt u gonna ever found those online anytime soon, same even if u have like all 10 cards, or 5 of the same player and u find those vault cards thats even more fun to have extra more cards of the same set but released many years after.

To me i think vault was the best thing they did before they handed over to Leaf because to me they did the best ultimate the first years and all those cards and set are very hard to find to buy today.

 

[Moose#11]

There have been numerous discussions about what happened to ITG when they released all these "vault" cards. I noticed a few of my PC player collections start showing up on ebay, I kind of rolled with it. Until I saw this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14-15-ITG-U...201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d2fa2689

This is such an extremely rare card that shows up, never. I know of the difficulties it took for me to obtain the Journey Emblem. Its one of my favorite themed cards as well.

Sucks there maybe more coming and it takes away the rareness away from how hard I had to find it...

if we all took what card companies do personally,we'd all be in an insane asylum by now!
you stated how long it took to find the original version for your pc.well,isn't it the journey that truly makes the end result?how boring would this hobby be if we could find every card for our pc on ebay at any moment?
don't take it personally,enjoy your "true" version of the Potvin and let another collector enjoy the ******* son of yours.

 

[losman#99]

But those cards are supposed to be very limited and hard to find, thats one of the things that makes them what they are.

The point is, why was that card sitting in a vault for all these years? What purpose did it serve? There wasnt goign to be a customer service issue. They werent goign to suddenly be a show redemption program. I understand show stamped cards, and customer service copies to fix problems for current products. But there is absolutely no reason , NONE, for some of these to exist. And you can not justify it by saying "well it helps me get the card I could never find or afford." Thats a very selfish and narrow minded answer and a dissservice to the hobby as a whole, who spent tons of money and resources on those cards when they were released.

So your solution would have been to throw away all this actual game used vintage memorabilia and autos? If that's the case then that would have been the true tragedy here.

If it's a PC card going into a true PC collection my question again is who cares about the value of it? If anything I would think PC collectors would be happy as they get to pick up more rare items and from my experience at a fraction of the cost.

I might still be living in my bubble as some have said but I really don't understand the whole theory on the money or value aspect if it's never going to be moved from someone's PC collection.

 

[GrimUSMC]

No, they should have reused the memorabilia. As for Autos, I know they used a lot of stickers and window cuts. Dotn put the sticker on until the card goes out. Or resuse the cut out as im sure they can. And if all else fails, and you cant reuse it, thats the cost of doing business.

And its a matter of bigger picture. When ITG releases a product, people buy it hoping to get X card limited to X copies. Or they locate and spend money on that card. So now, 10 years or so later, they release extra copies for more money when they already made money off of that product? They put some small stamp on the corner of it and claim its a different thing? Thats a slap in the face to anyone who has ever purchased an ITG product or single.

So your solution would have been to throw away all this actual game used vintage memorabilia and autos? If that's the case then that would have been the true tragedy here.

If it's a PC card going into a true PC collection my question again is who cares about the value of it? If anything I would think PC collectors would be happy as they get to pick up more rare items and from my experience at a fraction of the cost.

I might still be living in my bubble as some have said but I really don't understand the whole theory on the money or value aspect if it's never going to be moved from someone's PC collection.

 

[forsberg21]

But those cards are supposed to be very limited and hard to find, thats one of the things that makes them what they are.

The point is, why was that card sitting in a vault for all these years? What purpose did it serve? There wasnt goign to be a customer service issue. They werent goign to suddenly be a show redemption program. I understand show stamped cards, and customer service copies to fix problems for current products. But there is absolutely no reason , NONE, for some of these to exist. And you can not justify it by saying "well it helps me get the card I could never find or afford." Thats a very selfish and narrow minded answer and a dissservice to the hobby as a whole, who spent tons of money and resources on those cards when they were released.

So your solution would have been to throw away all this actual game used vintage memorabilia and autos? If that's the case then that would have been the true tragedy here.

If it's a PC card going into a true PC collection my question again is who cares about the value of it? If anything I would think PC collectors would be happy as they get to pick up more rare items and from my experience at a fraction of the cost.

I might still be living in my bubble as some have said but I really don't understand the whole theory on the money or value aspect if it's never going to be moved from someone's PC collection.

I agree with GrimUSMC in that if you couldn't afford the card at the original price, you honestly don't deserve to have it no matter how much of a "true collector" you believe yourself to be. For example, I know that I can't afford a Crosby Cup RC even though I'm a "true collector" and I'd never sell it (FYI I don't want one but it is a valid thought experiment). Does that entitle me to be able to own one at the fraction of its value? Absolutely not. That would be a disgrace to the few collectors that laid down top dollar for it. The same holds true in this ITG situation as there are extremely rare and valuable cards coming out of the woods, they are substantially devaluing the original copies, and making virtually unattainable ITG cards a joke. I still believe the memorabilia should have been farmed and reused instead of flooded out to the market thus destroying the last remaining dignity of ITG.

 

[losman#99]

No, they should have reused the memorabilia. As for Autos, I know they used a lot of stickers and window cuts. Dotn put the sticker on until the card goes out. Or resuse the cut out as im sure they can. And if all else fails, and you cant reuse it, thats the cost of doing business.

And its a matter of bigger picture. When ITG releases a product, people buy it hoping to get X card limited to X copies. Or they locate and spend money on that card. So now, 10 years or so later, they release extra copies for more money when they already made money off of that product? They put some small stamp on the corner of it and claim its a different thing? Thats a slap in the face to anyone who has ever purchased an ITG product or single.

Just my opinion but I think the majority of the people that opened this release and who are purchasing singles on the secondary market do not think this is some giant slap to the face as you said.

If some collectors have this view then that is their opinion but I would wager that if you polled the majority of actual ITG collectors your opinion would be in the minority.

Personally I love it, I think it is great for some collectors who maybe do not have the disposable income to acquire some of these initial Ultimate releases to add some pieces to their collection.

Before I get labelled as this pro ITG zealot I have said in the past that I have had issues with all 4 companies in the past, whether it was redemption replacements, damaged replacements, QA/QC issues, The Panini 2014 NT Football RPA debacle, etc, etc.

 

[SNobles]

Why is there a new one of these threads every week. We all get it, some people hate Vault and what it did to the value of the original cards, other people like it because now they can get cards that look like the originals just with a different label and stamp for a fraction of the price.

Why is it so hard to allow people to have different opinions on products and releases? Nothing about it is going to change now, not like all of the Vault cards are going to come off the market.

Collect what you like, hate what you want and let's all move on.

 

[pwag31]

No, they should have reused the memorabilia. As for Autos, I know they used a lot of stickers and window cuts. Dotn put the sticker on until the card goes out. Or resuse the cut out as im sure they can. And if all else fails, and you cant reuse it, thats the cost of doing business.

I would think that not reusing may have been a matter of cost. Why go to that effort/cost to do that when they could do what they did? And when this was released, he had sold the company and had no other use for them.

Maybe it was just a matter of business being business, and ITG felt they were doing what the majority of collectors wanted.

I'm not an ITG collector, but I can understand why it was done and I don't see them being any different then a show stamped card, but that is just my opinion.

 

[pwag31]

Why is there a new one of these threads every week. We all get it, some people hate Vault and what it did to the value of the original cards, other people like it because now they can get cards that look like the originals just with a different label and stamp for a fraction of the price.

Why is it so hard to allow people to have different opinions on products and releases? Nothing about it is going to change now, not like all of the Vault cards are going to come off the market.

Collect what you like, hate what you want and let's all move on.

One thing I have been wondering lately is why be so worried about the value of the cards dropping. The vast majority of cards, be it ITG, UD, Leaf, Panini cards, drop in value over time as demand drops due to new products being released, and other factors.