Kovalchuk to the Islanders?????

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timber09 said:
The point is - committing $12mil to one player is franchise suicide. As long as you are saddled with that contract, you will never be competitive - and there is no way you will be able to move a contract like that.

Kovalchuk is certainly the best of the best AVAILABLE - but he is by no stretch of the imagination in the conversation for best player in the league. Some of the people here were screaming last year when the Sedin's signed for $12.5...together...
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If anyone has a copy of IE from last summer with my article about the FA Frenzy last year in it (much more intriguing from a hobby standpoint than this year's IMO) - check out the Sedins section... Vancouver basically got two Ovechkins for the price of one...

Kovalchuk has priced himself out of this world.

I have been reading what Paul Martin had to say about potentially playing on the Island, and he would not sign there for any amount of money based solely on the fact that he'd have to play in the Nassau Coliseum. Why Kovalchuk would want to play on his own AGAIN as he did in Atlanta is beyond me, especially playing in that stadium for minimum 5 seasons...

From a Devils point of view, Kovalchuk is expecting to be paid as much as Parise, Zajac and Langenbrunner COMBINED...

He's an incredible talent, sure, but the term "franchise suicide" used above ain't far from the truth.
 
Here I go again with my business speak ;)

I think paying Kovalchuk 12 million a year is crazy, yes, but I'm also trying to consider his worth to the Kings from a business standpoint. How much extra revenue will Kovalchuk's signing bring to the LA organization? He becomes the franchise face for marketing as one of the most exciting players in league. I'm sure that is being considered as well. To me, Kovalchuk's worth as a business pawn far exceeds the marketing abilities of Quick, Brown, Johnson and even Kopitar. He's someone new that comes with a reputation for being a flashy and speedy goal scorer and someone exciting to watch.

The other thing that makes this a realistic possibility is that Carter, Gagne and Kovalchuk probably cost the same as the 4 Kings players, will provide more points between them than the others, the removal of Quick allows Bernier to step in and the removal of Jack Johnson allows a stale danish pastry to step in and provide better NHL level defense than JMFJ does, and eventually once the danish pastry has exceeded its welcome, someone like Colton Teubert or Thomas Hickey can jump in.

The thing that makes this unrealistic? Why would you trade away your franchise face, the person who you put a bode of confidence in as your new captain and the guy who just became your best #1 goalie in a decade just to dump a pylon on skates (JJ?)

To make matters more intriguing, apparently Simon Gagne has lifted his NTC in the last hour or so.
 
armedic1135 said:
As well as every other player in the NHL that has not won all those....Your point is..?
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His point is that Crosby has actually delivered in the postseason when he's got there. Kovalchuk has what, one career playoff win in two appearances? Pretty pathetic for a guy trying to command 8 figures. Atlanta isn't a defence cause the second go around was with NJ.
 
chadsexington said:
Here I go again with my business speak ;)

I think paying Kovalchuk 12 million a year is crazy, yes, but I'm also trying to consider his worth to the Kings from a business standpoint. How much extra revenue will Kovalchuk's signing bring to the LA organization? He becomes the franchise face for marketing as one of the most exciting players in league. I'm sure that is being considered as well. To me, Kovalchuk's worth as a business pawn far exceeds the marketing abilities of Quick, Brown, Johnson and even Kopitar. He's someone new that comes with a reputation for being a flashy and speedy goal scorer and someone exciting to watch.

The other thing that makes this a realistic possibility is that Carter, Gagne and Kovalchuk probably cost the same as the 4 Kings players, will provide more points between them than the others, the removal of Quick allows Bernier to step in and the removal of Jack Johnson allows a stale danish pastry to step in and provide better NHL level defense than JMFJ does, and eventually once the danish pastry has exceeded its welcome, someone like Colton Teubert or Thomas Hickey can jump in.

The thing that makes this unrealistic? Why would you trade away your franchise face, the person who you put a bode of confidence in as your new captain and the guy who just became your best #1 goalie in a decade just to dump a pylon on skates (JJ?)

To make matters more intriguing, apparently Simon Gagne has lifted his NTC in the last hour or so.
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there is no way that the Kings trade Kopitar/Brown/Johnson/Quick for Carter/Gagne. Gagne is UFA after this year and is overpaid @ 5.25M. carter sleeps around with teammates wives and makes $5M to disappear in the playoffs.

brown is the team captain and scores 25 goals a year. kopitar is already a top 10 center in the league and he's 22. johnson was the best d-man on the US Olympic team and will break out this season and Quick just won 39 games last year.

there is absolutely no way that trade would ever happen. ever.

gagne/carter/kovalchuk would cost over $22M in 2009-10. kopitar/quick/brown/johnson cost less than $14M.

the kings need to re-sign Bernier/Simmonds/Johnson/Doughty after 2010-11. there is no way the Kings pay Kovalchuk a dime more than $8M/year and that's even too much. if they do, they definitely lose Johnson and probably Simmonds.

and you are completely nuts on your take on Johnson. he will score at least 40 points this year and be a plus player. clearly you don't watch the Kings as he played the majority of last year with Randy Jones. 'nuff said on that.

all that to say....DREGER DIDN'T SAY THIS.
 
Any team that spends 12 million on one player will never acomplish anything in this league. It's just too much of the cap to waste on one player and considering the two best players in the game don't even make 10 mill I don't understand how 12 mill is even being considered.
 
gretzky99 said:
there is no way that the Kings trade Kopitar/Brown/Johnson/Quick for Carter/Gagne. Gagne is UFA after this year and is overpaid @ 5.25M. carter sleeps around with teammates wives and makes $5M to disappear in the playoffs.

brown is the team captain and scores 25 goals a year. kopitar is already a top 10 center in the league and he's 22. johnson was the best d-man on the US Olympic team and will break out this season and Quick just won 39 games last year.

there is absolutely no way that trade would ever happen. ever.

gagne/carter/kovalchuk would cost over $22M in 2009-10. kopitar/quick/brown/johnson cost less than $14M.

the kings need to re-sign Bernier/Simmonds/Johnson/Doughty after 2010-11. there is no way the Kings pay Kovalchuk a dime more than $8M/year and that's even too much. if they do, they definitely lose Johnson and probably Simmonds.

and you are completely nuts on your take on Johnson. he will score at least 40 points this year and be a plus player. clearly you don't watch the Kings as he played the majority of last year with Randy Jones. 'nuff said on that.

all that to say....DREGER DIDN'T SAY THIS.
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I agree with some of the things you said here but JJ as the best d-man for USA? Not even close dude. He actually had no business being there. I will admit after the Olympics he stepped his offensive game up a bit but still looked confused in his own end. JJ also played with Doughty for a few games but he made both look bad. I feel JJ is very jealous of Doughty as was shown in a few interviews he did. I think once a guy like Hickey can step in and play JJ is toast.
 
your a lil off base gretzky99....definatly don't bash carter who broke both feet at the end of the year and still came back to play....too bad he didnt score that goal in game 6 damn that hurt!
 
rafalski scored more, i give you that and suter was good. but johnson played a lot of minutes and was the shut-down pairing in the tournament. and yes, he was great after the Olympics as well and was probably the Kings best player in the playoffs as well (him or doughty). he played 2/3 or more of his games with Jones which is almost like playing by yourself out there.
hickey may be a good player, but i'd take johnson without question. his skill is undeniable and he's got that mean streak that is necessary for a great d-man. i think he has a huge year this year.

carter is fine as a player. he hasn't shown up in the playoffs yet (he had injuries this year, granted) and the rumor of him messing with Hartnel's wife are a bit worrisome.
 
I think Carter will continue on to be a great player. He is still really young and so far has had a fantastic career (NHL and Jr). He will be a dominating player in the NHL, one of the best goal scorers. It is hard to criticize a player who has so far been great all because of having 1 bad season due to injuries. He will be back this year and likely score 40+ goals. It still bugs me that Kaberle wouldn't waive his NTC to Philly, Carter would have looked great as a Leaf.

I think Wang is stupid enough to pay Kovalchuk $12 million. He did with Yashin and a certain injury prone goalie :|. It amazes me that these players talk about wanting to go to a winning team and them they demand these super high salaries. Don't they realize that they are hurting those teams and their own chances of winning. If they wanted to win they should take less money so that the team could spend the money to upgrade on another player.
 
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Whether Kovalchuk would actually go to the Island is a different story - if it was all about the money, he would've stayed in Atlanta and signed the deal they offered.
 
Hama said:
Whether Kovalchuk would actually go to the Island is a different story - if it was all about the money, he would've stayed in Atlanta and signed the deal they offered.
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you would think - unless he misjudged his value. if he thought he'd get a huge offer somewhere else if he had 30 teams going after him and then saw that he's only being offered $7M by two teams (NJ and LA) and $10M from one team (NYI) he has limited choices.

1. go to a contender and take less money
2. go to the KHL
3. take the Islanders money

if Kovy is about the money only, he goes to KHL.
if Kovy is about winning, he goes to L.A.
if Kovy is about money and living in U.S. he goes to NYI
 
Hama said:
Whether Kovalchuk would actually go to the Island is a different story - if it was all about the money, he would've stayed in Atlanta and signed the deal they offered.
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Although who can argue that the Islies are on the upwing--can't say that about Hotlanta.
 
plubers said:
Well now what are the kings going to do for offense? I wonder if Deno is thinking trade now?
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here's what i'm hearing as possibilities...all better than spending crazy money on $Kovy$

kaberle, savard, gagne, lecavalier, grabovski

also heard some on hartnell, carter and re-signing frolov

obviously not all of those, but those are the names right now.
 
gretzky99 said:
here's what i'm hearing as possibilities...all better than spending crazy money on $Kovy$

kaberle, savard, gagne, lecavalier, grabovski

also heard some on hartnell, carter and re-signing frolov

obviously not all of those, but those are the names right now.
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I am a frolov fan but I don't want to see him in a Kings uni again. He quit on the team last year and there is no excuse for that. Savard would be a nice pick up but we need a sniper not a play maker. Should be an interesting few days.
 
Thank you Kovie!! Now if DL wants to make a deal...go for it. Just make sure it includes Justin Williams on the same bus out of town with Frolov.
 
looks like it will be the Isles. I really don't think he will go to the KHL, but you never know.

A couple of potential dark horses in this race:

Blues: Lots of young players, with Tkachuks retirement and Kariya potentially not coming back, they need a couple of veteran leaders, I also think they have quite a bit of cap space.

Leafs: Brian Burke likes to make the unexpected blockbuster move. He did it with the Sedins, Pronger, and Phaneuf. Also, although he won't admit it, it must eat him inside that the Bruins got Seguin, I don't think he will let them get another top pick.

Rangers: It's Sather, they would have cap issues, but all he has to do is find some sucker to take Drury or Reddens salary.

Thrashers: What if, it was only about the money, Kovalchuk realized when he hit the market that he couldn't beat the Thrashers offer so he decides to go back to where he is familiar.

Penguins: Ok no chance here, but the Eastside hockey manager in me was thinking about this. The Pens are too deep at center with Crosby, Malkin and Staal. Why not sign Kovi to play on Crosbys wing, then trade Malkin for a Kings ransom of younger players on cheap contracts or draft picks. Staal moves up to a 2nd line center role and they have a great core of young players or prospects going forward.

New Jersey: Probably won't happen after trading for Arnott and signing Volchenkov, but you never know

I'm sure there are a couple of other teams, but if any of those teams signed him (except Pittsburgh) it wouldn't shock me.
 
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