BenDMitchell
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How much of Nick Suzukis value in the hobby is due to the fact he plays in Montreal?
Nick Suzuki value
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mark14h
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Almost all of it
HammerHawks
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Yep, quite a bit of it. Look at someone like Joel Farabee, for example. Plays in a relatively large market with a strong fanbase and was picked 14th overall (Suzuki was 13th for comparison). Farabee's values are not even remotely close to Suzuki. Now, I think you could certainly argue Suzuki is a better player, but I think that's generally a decent way to see the Montreal/Toronto effect, by looking at similar types of players and what those values are.
Bossy22
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Suzuki has a lot more going for him than the Canadians which is a large part.
1.) Plays in montreal
2.) 1st round pick
3.) Played in the world juniors for Canada
4.) Japanese decent
Add to that, he is a really good looking young player and you have the answer.
1.) Plays in montreal
2.) 1st round pick
3.) Played in the world juniors for Canada
4.) Japanese decent
Add to that, he is a really good looking young player and you have the answer.
piper1
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If you have to ask you likely haven't watched. His vision and hockey IQ are clearly superior to those who were selected around him in the draft.
odjickfan
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We are a lot of crazy Habs fans, and he's among the best young guys on the team.
Bossy22
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I think this statement is a complete crock! If he was on Florida the value would be largely different! I have watched him play quite a bit and I also collect cards and where a person plays may be even more important than his ability!!!
piper1
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Any questions............
piper1
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If you thought his cards were expensive a year ago have you tried picking up an RC or Auto of him lately.
keithman07
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Definitely not complete crock. Prior to this season, he jumped into a struggling team and provided an offensive boost. He played very well in the play in rounds and actually made management re-adjust plans moving forward. Prior to that, he OWNED the minors. His vision and skillset were all on display. I won't even get into his progress over this past season and playoffs.
So complete crock? Absolutely not. Boosted? Mildly. Of course location affects price due to fan base. However, he's not a 25 year old 3rd liner. He's being developed as a future top center for the Habs. He's still on his ELC and has only trended upwards.
Bossy22
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If you read my statements above you will realize I think he's a great player. I think he has ALOT going for him in the hobby as well. I just think it's a complete crock to think that playing in Montreal has little to do with his value. Take him on Florida and his yg would be decently priced but I guess would be about half that it is now!!!
MMarch
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Put him on any non-original six team with the same production, and his value isn’t even half of what it is right now.
dismonkey1
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Put him on FLA or Columbus with the same (or even better) production LoL...
With that said, the location/team factor is part of the hobby...
penguinpr
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I don't want to sound like a shill, but there is a nice lot of his rookie cards offered by Classic Auctions right now.
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sdpdesign
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There is a definite Toronto/Montreal exponent that affects values. There are plenty of fans that will pick his card up for just being on the team. The factor has been seen many times in the past. Tavares & Kessel in Toronto, Domi & Weber in Montreal are good examples of players who have come to these teams and seen a boost of interest in them and their cards.
Now for rc’s that start their careers with these teams, Suzuki being drafted by Golden Knights, but getting his actual start in Montreal...yeah, there is a hype, a “bump”. Charles Hudon is a great example that had the hype but didn’t pan out and he still has the Montreal value attached. Kotkaniemi had the hype coming into his rc year, value was inflated because of his potential. It has taken a few years to develop but he is hitting his stride and deserved value, mind you, he is also being outperformed by other draftees but still has higher values...”no bump at all” (wink wink, nudge nudge). For example, Joel Farabee, drafted later in the 1st round, only needs to score 3 points in the next 64 games to match Kotkaniemi’s career points total. Farabee’s value? 1/3, maybe?...oh, and Quinn Hughes is in teh same class...30 more points in 50 less games...but Jasper has twice as many goals as Quinn (11g). Hype? Nope, none at all.
Gotta say though, Poehling looked super hot when he debuted, but Suzuki looks to be the best...aside from Caufield, who will be a superstar.
Now for rc’s that start their careers with these teams, Suzuki being drafted by Golden Knights, but getting his actual start in Montreal...yeah, there is a hype, a “bump”. Charles Hudon is a great example that had the hype but didn’t pan out and he still has the Montreal value attached. Kotkaniemi had the hype coming into his rc year, value was inflated because of his potential. It has taken a few years to develop but he is hitting his stride and deserved value, mind you, he is also being outperformed by other draftees but still has higher values...”no bump at all” (wink wink, nudge nudge). For example, Joel Farabee, drafted later in the 1st round, only needs to score 3 points in the next 64 games to match Kotkaniemi’s career points total. Farabee’s value? 1/3, maybe?...oh, and Quinn Hughes is in teh same class...30 more points in 50 less games...but Jasper has twice as many goals as Quinn (11g). Hype? Nope, none at all.
Gotta say though, Poehling looked super hot when he debuted, but Suzuki looks to be the best...aside from Caufield, who will be a superstar.
paulxing
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Since the modern era, investing in any Habs rookie has not been financially prudent in the long run. Can you time peaks and troughs? Sure. But overall, stay away. Caufield will have an extremely hard time living up to hobby hype especially if next year is a "weak" RC year.
troy95
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I feel that next season is going to have a pretty solid rookie class. Caufield, Knight, Zegras, Byfield, Drysdale, and Swayman to start. Turcotte, Podkolzin, Lundell, Seider, and Power are also likely to factor in.
newfiecomicguy1
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Over the past 2 seasons he has proven to be a playoff performer. He is an exciting young player. Too bad he is a hab lol.
japhi
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I'm a big fan of Montreal and Suzuki. His values are definitely inflated by the team he plays for. Most MTL fans see him with as a 70 point two way C - which is incredible, but may not justify prices long term.
Now if this run continues, and at some point he ends up being #1C on Cup team, look out. Guy is super clutch.
Now if this run continues, and at some point he ends up being #1C on Cup team, look out. Guy is super clutch.
Burner
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I love Suzuki, and I think he'll be a great player. I kinda see him as a slightly more offensive version of Plekanec... in other words, a 70 pointish 2 way forward. That said, Suzuki is definitely gaining traction from his playoff performance and the Habs run in general, as well as the overall added money in the hobby, as well as the Montreal factor. So I do believe a good portion of his value is coming from hype and I would be hesitant to pay top dollar at the current market.
