Noob question about ITG Vault.

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So I’ve been away from hockey for awhile... Gabby left the Wild, Wild don’t have anyone to particularity collect, but I’m starting to move into non-Minnesota hockey, so I’m coming back.

One question I have, why are the 1/1s from ITG Vault so soft in price? I understand it’s a 1/1 product that therecan be multiple colors for each player, but they still seem soft in price to me. Is what I said basically all there is to it? Does no one want these cards?
 
ITG held back a ton of cards for replacements. Once the company was on the verge of closing up shop they turned on the printing press and added a 1/1 stamp to their old stock. They repackaged it as “The Vault”, flooding the market with a ton of singles that shouldn’t exist and in a lot of cases actually featured better game used material than the cards originally packaged.

In The Game was my favorite company by far but the move wasn’t too far off from Pacific selling off everything at the end. A smart business move but terrible for customer relations.
 
In a nutshell, some collectors are not fond of the ITG Final Vault cards and will not usually pick them up at full price, which is why the vast majority of Final Vault cards can be "softer" in price, but not always.

However, some collectors (like myself) personally do not mind the Final Vault stamped cards and will pick them up for my collection. So it depends on the collector.
 
I really liked the release, but many didn't. A big part of the problem was how confusing it seems to have been for a lot of people.

Any of the memorabilia cards, there could have been anywhere from 1 to 10 copies (with only a different colour of foil distinguishing them).

These cards were all produced in addition to the stated print runs of the original cards, which irked a lot of people.

The lack of a checklist (i.e. there is no way to know what cards were inserted, or in what quantities) kept people away too.

I think it produced a lot of cool cards, and was a way to ensure some really nice vintage stuff didn't go to waste - but yeah, the values on this stuff is really soft.... and it softened the values of the original (unstamped) cards in many cases.
 
Two things for me really turned me off on Final Vault.....oversaturation and perceived scarcity.

To date I’ve counted over 70 different FV cards of the player I collect. That’s hands down the most out of any product release. To have them each showcased as a “1/1” makes it really challenging for my pocketbook.

And not all cards are “soft” in the market. When I initially chased a few, I was being given prices that felt more like a price gouge than a discount. Completely turned off by the money grab it was at the time and haven’t looked back.

I won’t chase a single FV card....I will only keep track of those I see pop up so I can add it to my master checklist.

I have been given a few FV cards (for various PCs) as gifts over the years and hold those cards very dear. I appreciate that people have thought of me and have taken the time to send me those cards. They have found a permanent place in my collections and have a great story connected to them.

Thanks.
 
I can't add much more than the above, as all are arguments against why I will not add any Vault cards to my Jagr collection. To me, Vault just doesn't feel like an "official" product and therefore I don't consider these as pack-pulled/released. I know they are in the literal sense, but as a player collector, the method of distribution, the way they were dumped, and the way it felt like a cash grab to me left a bad taste in my mouth. All personal opinions, and as a business, why wouldn't ITG sell them? Doesn't mean I have to like it or support it.
 
cardboardnostalgia said:
ITG held back a ton of cards for replacements. Once the company was on the verge of closing up shop they turned on the printing press and added a 1/1 stamp to their old stock. They repackaged it as “The Vault”, flooding the market with a ton of singles that shouldn’t exist and in a lot of cases actually featured better game used material than the cards originally packaged.

In The Game was my favorite company by far but the move wasn’t too far off from Pacific selling off everything at the end. A smart business move but terrible for customer relations.
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A correction to that timeline of events:

Dr. Price sold the ITG brand to Leaf, then liquidated his remaining inventory into the secondary market. At that time, the liquidated cards were unstamped, and indistinguishable from their pack pulled counterparts. This caused a slight disturbance within the Hobby. Dr. Price came out of retirement, bought back the offending cards, stamped them and packaged them as Final Vault. Here is Dr. Price's original statement
 
Also, someone made a site dedicated to the whole scenario. In the 'updates' tab, it goes through a detailed look behind ITG's Final Vault.

http://www.itg6of5bailey.com/home.html

There has been a lot said about Final Vault for a couple years now, but like I said earlier, I like the stamps and will continue to pick them up for my collection :)

I hope you can learn more and get answers to those questions you seek.
 
Superlative Vault and Ultimate Vault were made too! Ultimate Vault was a blast to open. I participated in many team GBs with the Habs spot, maybe I should show my Vault collection on a rainy day!
 
I definitely collect linden´s cards what are printed 1,3,5, 8 10, or just done for show only with Vault because I know I would never his cards in original version but I won´t pay top dollars until 10f 1 original. For example I got 2012-13 ITG Superlatives famous fabrics raised to the raffer #RTR36 GOLD. To find it in original version is impossible because it´s limited #1 but thank god Vault I got that card no matter how many replacement cards they had in stock. Real one to find is IMPOSSIBLE. Therefor I hunt Linden´s vault hard ones. Even in silver versions exists 9 prints , I got two in original version without vault in different variations. Point is I look all Linden´s hard ones in Vault. They are my PC.
 
I really enjoyed the Vault products. But they were akin to show stamped cards...released 10+ years after the original release. They're in this kind of "neither fish nor fowl" situation. You can't really complete an original set with Vault cards and player collectors wouldn't necessarily feel compelled to chase them so that hurts the value. Plus the boxes were relatively cheap in relation to the original release. For me, just a nice opportunity to pick up some cool cards at an affordable price.
 

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